Magnetic Field of an AC generator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the magnetic field in AC generators, particularly focusing on the implications of using concave pole faces versus flat pole faces. Participants explore how these configurations relate to the generation of sinusoidal voltage and the characteristics of the output waveform.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a radial magnetic field produced by concave poles can lead to a sinusoidal output, given that the angle between the coil and the magnetic field remains constant.
  • Another participant suggests that an AC signal can be viewed as a time-varying DC signal, implying that the principles of Ohm's law and Maxwell's Equations apply similarly at any instant.
  • Concave pole generators are noted to produce a square-ish waveform, with the emphasis on how voltage polarity changes as the coil rotates, leading to alternating voltage rather than necessarily sinusoidal voltage.
  • Participants discuss the need for modifications in generator design to achieve a sinusoidal waveform, including rotor shaping and winding arrangements.
  • There is a suggestion that using flat pole faces and parallel magnetic fields could produce a sinusoidal voltage, which one participant confirms as possible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of using concave versus flat pole faces in AC generators. While some agree that sinusoidal voltage can be produced with flat pole faces, there is no consensus on the effectiveness or practicality of the configurations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of figures in textbooks and the potential for misunderstanding regarding the relationship between magnetic field configuration and voltage waveform. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the optimal design for achieving sinusoidal output.

Zahid Iftikhar
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Please help me in understanding the kind the magnetic field used in an AC generator. Most of the figures (one shown in attached file) are shown with concave poles. Hence the field has to be radial. In such a field the angle between plane of coil and the magnetic field remains zero all the time (as in case of galvanometer), so the induced emf will remains maximum and constant.
This contradicts with the waveform of AC which is a sine wave. It is possible only with plane pole faces. Please guide me on this.
 
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Zahid Iftikhar said:
Most of the figures (one shown in attached file)
You forgot the file...
 
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I can give you a partial answer without any figures.

Zahid Iftikhar said:
This contradicts with the waveform of AC which is a sine wave.

An AC signal is just one example of a time-varying DC signal. Ohm's law and Maxwell's Equations apply instantaneously. When you look at one instant of time, there is no difference between AC and DC.
 
I am really sorry I forgot adding the file. Please have it right now.
 

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anorlunda said:
I can give you a partial answer without any figures.

An AC signal is just one example of a time-varying DC signal. Ohm's law and Maxwell's Equations apply instantaneously. When you look at one instant of time, there is no difference between AC and DC.
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. I am actually worried about the figure shown in most of the books which shows concave poles of AC generator. I wonder how a sinusoidal voltage is produced in the presence of a radial magnetic field which concave poles must produce. Pl reply. Thanks once again.
 
Zahid Iftikhar said:
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. I am actually worried about the figure shown in most of the books which shows concave poles of AC generator. I wonder how a sinusoidal voltage is produced in the presence of a radial magnetic field which concave poles must produce. Pl reply. Thanks once again.
The concave pole generator indeed produces a square-ish wave, but I believe what the books want to emphasize is how the polarity of the voltage changes as the coil rotates through 180 degrees. This is why it is called an 'alternator', the one which produces an alternating (not necessarily sinusoidal) voltage . To make this ac voltage sinusoidal, several modifications are needed in this model. You can look up a practical ac alternator and see how they shape the rotor, how they arrange the windings and how they adjust the air gap to make the waveform as sinusoidal as possible.
 
cnh1995 said:
The concave pole generator indeed produces a square-ish wave, but I believe what the books want to emphasize is how the polarity of the voltage changes as the coil rotates through 180 degrees. This is why it is called an 'alternator', the one which produces an alternating (not necessarily sinusoidal) voltage . To make this ac voltage sinusoidal, several modifications are needed in this model. You can look up a practical ac alternator and see how they shape the rotor, how they arrange the windings and how they adjust the air gap to make the waveform as sinusoidal as possible.
Thank you very much indeed for the answer. I got your point. May we use plane pole faces and parallel magnetic field to produce sinusoidal voltage?
 
Zahid Iftikhar said:
Thank you very much indeed for the answer. I got your point. May we use plane pole faces and parallel magnetic field to produce sinusoidal voltage?
Yes, flat pole faces will create a sinusoidal ac voltage here.
 

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