Magnetic field within cylinder using Ampere's Law

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The discussion revolves around applying Ampere's Law to determine the magnetic field strength within a cylinder with a constant current density flowing parallel to its axis. The original poster attempts to show that the magnetic field in the theta-hat direction is non-zero while questioning the components in the r-hat and z-hat directions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of imaginary surfaces to analyze the magnetic field components, particularly questioning how to demonstrate the absence of a z-hat component. There is mention of using a closed cylinder to show zero flux in the r-hat direction.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to apply Ampere's Law correctly. Some participants suggest using specific surfaces to calculate the circulation of the magnetic field, while others express uncertainty about the implications of their findings regarding the z-hat direction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the distinction between using Ampere's Law and Gauss's Law, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the application of these principles in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Using Ampere's law, show that the magnetic field strength in a region within a cylinder, which has a constant current density j (flowing in the direction parallel to its axis), is equal to

B = (mu-nought)*j*r/2

The Attempt at a Solution



It doesn't say specifically, but this is the field in the theta-hat direction - i.e. in the direction of the cylinder's axis of rotation. I can prove this easily and the actual question isn't the problem. I'm assuming that this question means I have to show that the magnetic field in the r-hat direction (radially outwards) and the z-hat direction (in the direction of the current flow) are both zero.

I can prove there is no component in the r-hat direction by taking an imaginary cylinder, placing it within and using the fact that the flux through the cylinders surface is always equal to zero.

However, how do I prove that there is no component in the z-hat direction? Any help/hints appreciated.
 
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Silversonic said:
I can prove there is no component in the r-hat direction by taking an imaginary cylinder, placing it within and using the fact that the flux through the cylinders surface is always equal to zero.

However, how do I prove that there is no component in the z-hat direction? Any help/hints appreciated.

Did you try using the same reasoning? That is, finding a surface that would allow to calculate the circulation of z - component of the field?
 
Inna said:
Did you try using the same reasoning? That is, finding a surface that would allow to calculate the circulation of z - component of the field?

What surface would I use? If I use a cylinder, that only tells me that the flux in the z-hat direction through one end is equal and opposite to the flux in the z-hat direction flowing through the other end - but it doesn't tell me that the magnetic field for that component is zero, only that the sum of the two fluxes flowing through the ends sums to zero.
 
Wait - it seems like you are using a Gauss law instead of Ampere's law. You need a circulation of B-field around the boundary of your surface. It will be proportional to the current going through the surface.
 
Inna said:
Wait - it seems like you are using a Gauss law instead of Ampere's law. You need a circulation of B-field around the boundary of your surface. It will be proportional to the current going through the surface.

I used Ampere's law to find the direction of the field in the theta-hat direction, I haven't touched Gauss' law at all.

I used the fact that \intB.dS = 0, using a closed cylinder, to show that it is zero in the r-hat direction, but can't prove it for the z-hat direction.
 
Try a rectangle with one side placed inside the cylinder, parallel to the z-axis, and the opposite side outside of the cylinder.
 

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