Magnetic fields and current flows problem

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The discussion revolves around the application of the right-hand rule for determining the direction of forces on charged particles in magnetic fields. In the first example, the user incorrectly concludes that the force on a current-carrying wire is east when it should actually be west. The second example highlights confusion regarding the direction of the magnetic field and force acting on an electron, clarifying that the force cannot align with either the electron's motion or the magnetic field direction. The final question about a proton moving alongside a current-carrying wire also leads to a correction, confirming that the force on the proton is directed south. Overall, the thread emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the right-hand rule in various scenarios involving magnetic fields and current flows.
Dx
Hiya ppls!

I have some questions about magnetic fields and current flows in general.

Lets say in these eg., A vertical wire carries a current straight up in a region where the magnetic field vector points due NORTH. What direction of the resulting force on this current?

EX1) No using the right hand method if my thumb points in the positive flow of current then my fingers should curl in the B of the force, correct? SO I am correct to say that the force on this currrent would be EAST.

EX2) An electron has an initial velocity to the south but is observed to curve upward as the result of the magnetic fied. The direction of the field is? My answer using the right hand method would be upward.

I am somewhat confused. Am I correct to say that when I want to find a force on a magntic field I use the rt hand method with the thumb points with the current. There are so many ways to use the rt hand methid for different scenarios I am confused with it?

Something lse that confuses me and this is an actual problem here.

An electron moving along the +x axis enters a region where there is a uniform magnetic field in the +y direction. What is the direction of the magnetic force on the electron? (+x to right, +y up, +z out of the page)

I am suppose to find its direction which I believes travels in the _x direction traveling CW, am I correct to say this.

The answers are multiple choice for this particluar problem.
a) +z
b) -z
c) -y
d) -x

Any help with these problem and my questions would be immensely appreciated.

Thanks!
Dx :wink:
 
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EX1) No using the right hand method if my thumb points in the positive flow of current then my fingers should curl in the B of the force, correct? SO I am correct to say that the force on this currrent would be EAST.

Are you sure you are using your right hand? :)

If you do as you say you are, with your fingers point north in the direction of the field and your thumb pointing upward, then your fingers will curl toward the WEST, not east.


EX2) An electron has an initial velocity to the south but is observed to curve upward as the result of the magnetic fied. The direction of the field is? My answer using the right hand method would be upward.

I am beginning to think you have a very odd right hand! The whole point of the "right hand rule" is that the force is at right angles to both the motion of the electron and the direction of the magnetic field. The field direction CAN'T be in the same direction as the force!
Point the fingers of your right hand "south" so that the fingers curl upward. (Your hand is flat with palm up, fingers pointing south.) When I do that I find that my thumb is pointing WEST.

An electron moving along the +x axis enters a region where there is a uniform magnetic field in the +y direction. What is the direction of the magnetic force on the electron? (+x to right, +y up, +z out of the page)

I am suppose to find its direction which I believes travels in the _x direction traveling CW, am I correct to say this.

Again, the force cannot be in the direction of either electron motion or magnetic field. Place your hand so that your fingers point up the y-axis and your thumb points along the positive x axis. Your fingers curl "upward" so the force is along the positive z axis.

It is not only "incorrect" to say the electron "travels in the -x direction traveling CW (clockwise?)", it makes no sense. To say that something travels in any particular direction means it travels in a straight line and then "clockwise" doesn't apply.
Here, there is a constant force so the electron CAN'T move in a straight line. For this problem, the electron moves in a circle, with center on the positive z axix. Whether it is moving clockwise or counter-clockwise depends upon your viewpoint. Viewing the electron from the positive y-axis, it is moving counter-clockwise, from the negative y-axis, clockwise.
 
Okay!

I see!
Dx :wink:
 
Just want to ask to make sure!

If a long straight wire carries current towqard the east. a proton moves forward toward the east alongside and just south of the wire. what is the direction of the force on the proton?

SOUTH, correct?
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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