Magnetic forces in planetary orbits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the influence of magnetic fields on planetary orbits, particularly whether these fields have any significant effect compared to gravitational forces. Participants explore the role of magnetism in both the formation of planetary systems and its ongoing effects on planetary atmospheres.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while gravitational forces primarily hold planets in orbit, magnetic fields might have a minor influence on each other's orbits.
  • One participant cites a Scientific American article discussing the role of magnetic fields in the formation of stars and protoplanetary disks, suggesting that magnetism plays a significant role during initial formation but diminishes as planets gain mass.
  • Another participant argues that the effect of magnetic fields on established planetary orbits is negligible, stating that the influence of gravity is much stronger at larger distances.
  • There is mention of an ongoing magnetic effect that can puff up planetary atmospheres, particularly in relation to solar activity, which can affect atmospheric drag on satellites.
  • A participant notes that the magnetic field of a dipole decreases with the cube of the distance, implying that gravitational effects will dominate at larger distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of magnetic fields in influencing planetary orbits. While some acknowledge a minor role during formation, others assert that the effect is negligible once the planets are formed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of magnetic influence in established planetary systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the diminishing role of magnetic fields as planetary systems evolve, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of this for current planetary dynamics.

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This suddenly entered my mind while studying magnetic fields. I know of course that it is the gravitational force that holds the planets in orbit, but do their magnetic fields also have an effect, even by an infinitesimal amount? Do the magnetic fields of the planets have a small influence on each other's orbits?

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It seems magnetic fields of planets do have an influence on each other's orbits. Here is a quotation from Scientific American:

“Magnetic fields also muck up planet and star formation, as Susana Lizano of the Universidad Nacional Autonoma de México in Morelia explained. The interstellar clouds of gas and dust out of which planets and stars coalesce are threaded with magnetic fields—weak ones, a thousandth as strong as Earth’s. (Astronomers gauge the field strength by looking at how light from the dust is polarized.) As these clouds collapse, basic theory predicts the field should intensify a billionfold. But if that happened, the field would become powerful enough to stop the collapse. Even leaving this problem aside, as the cloud settles into a swirling disk, the field should bring the swirling motion in the inner part of the disk to a halt. Somehow the fields must dissipate, perhaps through a variant of induction-stove effect.

Even when the magnetic field weakens, it sculpts the nascent planetary system. It causes gas to revolve around the star more slowly than freely orbiting objects do. Embryonic planets thus experience a drag force and spiral inward. The field also stabilizes the disk, keeping it from fragmenting—further evidence that planets form by step-by-step agglomeration rather than gravitational breakup of the disk. All in all, Lizano built a persuasive case that astrophysicists ignore magnetism at their peril.”

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-play-an-underappreciated-role-in-the-cosmos/
 
blueberrynerd said:
Do the magnetic fields of the planets have a small influence on each other's orbits?
No.

Bobbywhy said:
It seems magnetic fields of planets do have an influence on each other's orbits. Here is a quotation from Scientific American: ...
Read the article again. Magnetism appears to play some role in the initial formation of a star and the protoplanetary disk. The role diminishes as the protostars and protoplanets build mass. Once the star system is formed, the affect on orbits is vanishingly small.

There is an ongoing magnetic effect: It puffs up planetary atmospheres. Right now the Sun is approaching solar max, and the Earth's atmosphere is puffing as a result. The F10.7 radio flux from the Sun is a fairly good indicator of how "puffed up" the Earth's atmosphere will be. The variations in magnetic flux over the course of the solar cycle has a measurable effect on the atmospheric drag on satellites in low Earth orbit.
 
Thank you, D H! I reread the article and found that you are correct: once planets form magnetism's effect is vanishingly small.
 
Thanks! That clears up a lot. :smile:
 
For a magnetic dipole, I believe the field falls of as the cube of the distance so the inverse square of the gravitational field beats it pretty damn soon as you get a long way away - whatever the relative forces / fields are, nearby.
 

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