Magnetic interaction of wire and rectangular loop

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnetic interaction between a current-carrying wire and a rectangular loop, specifically addressing the cancellation of magnetic fields and the resulting forces on the loop. The scope includes conceptual understanding of magnetic fields generated by currents in wires and loops.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the magnetic field from the second current (I2) is ignored in the video.
  • One participant suggests that the magnetic fields from two wires in opposite directions cancel each other out, as mentioned in the video.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on when this cancellation is stated in the video.
  • It is noted that the video focuses on the effect of the magnetic field generated by the first current (I1) on the loop, while the field from the loop's own current is considered to be nulled out.
  • One participant explains that the magnetic fields generated by the loop's current cancel each other due to symmetry, with equal and opposite fields on opposite sides of the loop.
  • It is highlighted that the magnetic field from the straight wire affects the loop differently, resulting in a stronger force on the side of the loop closest to the wire, causing it to move sideways towards the wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the cancellation of magnetic fields and the implications for the forces on the loop. There is no consensus on the clarity of the video’s explanations, and some points remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the symmetry of the magnetic fields and the specific conditions under which the cancellation occurs. The exact timing of statements in the video is also a point of contention.

Prinsen
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Hi. In this video:


he ignores the magnetic field from current 2(I2). Could anyone give me a good explanation why?
 
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The magnetic fields from two wires in opposite directions cancel. He says that in the video.
 
Thanks, but when in the video does he say that? I can't seem to find it.
 
Prinsen said:
Thanks, but when in the video does he say that? I can't seem to find it.

between 2:15 - 2:20

just keep in mind that he is interested in the effect of the magnetic field generated by I1 on the loop
the magnetic field generated by the loop current is nulled out
 
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Thanks! sorry for the late response, but.. why is the magnetic field generated by the loop current nulled out?
 
because the fields ( the ones generated by the current flowing in the loop) in the 4 sides of the loop are equal and opposite

that is ... the field in the left long side is equal and opposite to the one in the right long side, so those 2 cancel out
and the one in the top short side is equal and opposite to the one in the bottom short side, and again those 2 cancel out

This leaves only the effect of the magnetic field generated by the straight wire has on the loop
again, the one in the top short side is equal and opposite to the one in the bottom short side so there is no
force on the top and bottom sections

BUT

there is a difference in force on the 2 side sections from the straight wire generated field.
The left side ( the one closest to the straight wire) is subject to a stronger force than the right side
as he shows with the larger arrow pointing to the left than to the right.
This causes the loop to move sideways to the left ( towards the straight wire),

Dave
 

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