Magnetic length of a bar magnet

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the magnetic length of a bar magnet and its distinction from geometrical length, particularly in the context of magnetic monopoles and magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in magneto statics, seeking clarity on the behavior of magnetic fields near and far from the magnet.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the confusion regarding why magnetic monopoles cannot be assumed to be located at the ends of a bar magnet, especially in relation to the magnetic length versus geometrical length.
  • Another participant suggests that while monopoles can be assumed at the ends for distant fields, the complexity of the magnetic field close to the magnet prevents this assumption.
  • A request for visual aids is made to better understand the magnetic fields at the ends of the magnet, indicating a need for more detailed explanations.
  • Links to external resources are provided, which illustrate the magnetic field lines both outside and inside the magnet, suggesting that the field configuration cannot be accurately represented by two monopoles alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the magnetic field configurations and the role of monopoles, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the topic. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the assumptions about monopoles.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the behavior of magnetic fields in different regions relative to the magnet, highlighting the complexity of the field near the magnet compared to that at a distance.

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We just started magneto statics in school and were told about the use of magnetic monopoles for problem-solving reasons. So we were told that the magnetic length of a bar magnet differs from its geometrical length. I can't quite seem to figure out why we can't assume the monopoles to be right at the ends of the magnet. I do know that a bar magnet can be compared to a long solenoid but we haven't yet studied about either of them in detail and I suffer epic fails whenever I try to get ahead of the class. So a detailed explanation would be really helpful, thank you!
 
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I can't quite seem to figure out why we can't assume the monopoles to be right at the ends of the magnet.
For the field far away from the magnet, you can. You just have to adjust the strength of those virtual monopoles to the distance between them.
For the field close to the magnet, this is not possible, the field is more complicated.
 
Could you possibly give me a picture or something of the magnetic fields at the end. So that's the reason then? That the magnetic field lines are complicated? I'm still really confused, a little more detail would be really helpful
 
BBC has a good image http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/science/energy_electricity_forces/magnets_electric_effects/revision/3/. You don't get that field with two monopoles.
 

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