Magnitude Fourier transform lowpass, highpass, or bandpass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the characteristics of the magnitude of the Fourier transform for a given Laplace transform, specifically whether it behaves as a lowpass, highpass, or bandpass filter. The conversation includes technical evaluations and examples related to filter types and their properties.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to analyze the given Laplace transform and request explanations on the evaluation process.
  • One participant suggests using a Bode plot as a standard method to analyze the function, noting that lowpass filters have high H(0) and decrease with increasing s, while highpass filters have low H(0) and increase with s.
  • Another participant describes the characteristics of bandpass filters, stating they first increase from s=0 and then decrease again.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the numerator's degree in the transfer function, with one suggesting that a numerator of \(s^2\) would indicate a highpass filter.
  • Examples of transfer functions are provided, including one for a bandpass filter, prompting further inquiry into the characteristics of different filter types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Bode plots for filter analysis and the characteristics of lowpass, highpass, and bandpass filters. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific analysis of the given Laplace transform and the implications of different numerator degrees.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the transfer function and the specific conditions under which the characteristics are evaluated. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed for a complete analysis.

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Using geometric evaluation of the magnitude of the Fourier transform from the corresponding pole-zero plot, determine, for each of the following Laplace transforms, whether the magnitude of the corresponding Fourier transform is approximately lowpass, highpass, or bandpass.
\[
H_1(s) = \frac{1}{(s + 1)(s + 3)},\qquad \text{Re} \ \{s\} > -1
\]
I have no idea what to do for this. Can someone explain how to do a problem like this?
 
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dwsmith said:
Using geometric evaluation of the magnitude of the Fourier transform from the corresponding pole-zero plot, determine, for each of the following Laplace transforms, whether the magnitude of the corresponding Fourier transform is approximately lowpass, highpass, or bandpass.
\[
H_1(s) = \frac{1}{(s + 1)(s + 3)},\qquad \text{Re} \ \{s\} > -1
\]
I have no idea what to do for this. Can someone explain how to do a problem like this?

In case of highpass or band pass is $\displaystyle H_{1} (0) = 0$ and that isn't verified in this case. The only possible alternative is then...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
dwsmith said:
Using geometric evaluation of the magnitude of the Fourier transform from the corresponding pole-zero plot, determine, for each of the following Laplace transforms, whether the magnitude of the corresponding Fourier transform is approximately lowpass, highpass, or bandpass.
\[
H_1(s) = \frac{1}{(s + 1)(s + 3)},\qquad \text{Re} \ \{s\} > -1
\]
I have no idea what to do for this. Can someone explain how to do a problem like this?

The standard way to analyze such a function is a Bode plot.
It will tell you what type of filter it is and also what its characteristics are.

More specifically, a low pass filter has high H(0) and goes down when s increases.
A high pass filter has low H(0) and increases with s.
A band filter first increases from s=0 and up and then decreases again.
 
I like Serena said:
The standard way to analyze such a function is a Bode plot.
It will tell you what type of filter it is and also what its characteristics are.

More specifically, a low pass filter has high H(0) and goes down when s increases.
A high pass filter has low H(0) and increases with s.
An band filter first increases from s=0 and up and then decreases again.

Can you provide an example transfer function for a bandpass?
 
dwsmith said:
So if the numerator was \(s^2\), we would have highpass correct?

Yes.
 

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