Magnitude of velocity and acceleration

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The problem involves a car traveling around a circular track with a specified radius and initial velocity. The car's velocity is said to increase at a variable rate, and the task is to determine the magnitude of both its velocity and acceleration after traveling a certain distance along the track.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need for integration to solve for time and velocity, while others suggest that integration may not be necessary. There are questions about how to handle variable acceleration and the interpretation of terms like "velocity" versus "speed." Some participants express confusion about the relationship between distance, time, and acceleration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and sharing hints and guidance. Some have suggested methods for calculating final velocity and acceleration, while others are still grappling with the fundamental concepts and the wording of the problem.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the acceleration term and whether time can be determined directly from the given information. Participants have noted the complexity of the problem and the potential for misunderstanding due to its wording.

  • #31
JustDerek said:
Wouldn't that make c=0 at the start point?

##c = d_0 = 0## from the way the problem is set up.
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
##c = d_0 = 0## from the way the problem is set up.
So I make ##a=0 s=524 and V_0=5## and try to solve t for this?
 
  • #33
JustDerek said:
So I make ##a=0 s=524 and V_0=5## and try to solve t for this?

Setting ##a = 0## was just a way to see that your formula was wrong. If you integrate correctly you get:

##d = \frac{at^3}{6} + v_0t##

Now, you have to put some numbers in ##a = 0.06## and ##v_0 = 5## and use whatever numerical method you prefer to solve for ##t##.
 
  • #34
PeroK said:
Setting ##a = 0## was just a way to see that your formula was wrong. If you integrate correctly you get:

##d = \frac{at^3}{6} + v_0t##

Now, you have to put some numbers in ##a = 0.06## and ##v_0 = 5## and use whatever numerical method you prefer to solve for ##t##.
Which is get ##524=0.01t^3+5t## which believe it or not I've had worked out for two days. What I don't get is how to isolate t from this
 
  • #35
JustDerek said:
Which is get ##524=0.01t^3+5t## which believe it or not I've had worked out for two days. What I don't get is how to isolate t from this

I would just do it numerically. There is a way for solving cubic equations. Try googling if you interested. But, I'd just hit it with a spreadsheet.
 
  • #36
PeroK said:
I would just do it numerically. There is a way for solving cubic equations. Try googling if you interested. But, I'd just hit it with a spreadsheet.
Never done that before but I'll look into it. Won't that give multiple values for t?
 
  • #37
JustDerek said:
Never done that before but I'll look into it. Won't that give multiple values for t?

I know almost nothing about numerical methods. There is something called the Newton-Rhapson method, which you could codify in a program or spreadsheet. But, you know, all you have to do is check increasing values of ##t## until you go past the point you want, then refine the increments until you've narrowed it down to the required number of decimal places.

It's going to be somewhere between 30-40 seconds I guess.

You should be able to see analytically that there is only one real solution:your cubic function is monotonic.
 
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  • #38
PeroK said:
I know almost nothing about numerical methods. There is something called the Newton-Rhapson method, which you could codify in a program or spreadsheet. But, you know, all you have to do is check increasing values of ##t## until you go past the point you want, then refine the increments until you've narrowed it down to the required number of decimal places.

It's going to be somewhere between 30-40 seconds I guess.

You should be able to see analytically that there is only one real solution:your cubic function is monotonic.
Thanks for all your help. I'll see what I can do from here. You've been a saint I'd give you +100 likes if I could
 
  • #39
JustDerek said:
Thanks for all your help. I'll see what I can do from here. You've been a saint I'd give you +100 likes if I could
One would do!
 
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  • #40
JustDerek said:
When it is at point A then VA=5m/s which increases at a rate of a=(0.06t)m/s2.
Derek

Derek, I apologize. :frown: I missed the fact that the acceleration is not a constant! It looks like you got the help you needed though.
 
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  • #41
That's OK. The intention to help was appreciated
 

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