How Does the Majorana Neutrino Behave in Matter?

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The discussion centers on the behavior of Majorana neutrinos in matter, specifically examining the mathematical framework and equations governing their properties. Participants explore the implications of certain equations and the notation used in relevant literature, including potential discrepancies in understanding matrix operations and vector representations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for a Majorana neutrino in matter and derives a dispersion relation, seeking hints for further derivation.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of equating a column vector with a row vector, requesting a reference for the original claim.
  • A participant uploads a screenshot of a paper by Strumia and Vissani to support their argument, while another questions the appropriateness of using a screenshot instead of a direct link.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the matrix 'm' and its role in transforming vectors, with some participants asserting that the multiplication rules are not being followed correctly.
  • Concerns are raised about the notation used in the referenced paper, with one participant suggesting that the authors are being non-standard or sloppy in their presentation.
  • Another participant notes that the equation in the paper might be correct if the notation is interpreted in a specific way, while also criticizing the clarity of the notation used for Dirac fermions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of mathematical operations and notation in the context of Majorana neutrinos. There is no consensus on the correctness of the equations or the appropriateness of the references provided.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of matrix multiplication and vector representation, as well as ambiguities in the notation used in the referenced literature. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical framework without resolving these issues.

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For a Majorana neutrino in matter we have the equation $$(i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-A\gamma_{0})\nu_{L} = m\overline{\nu_{L}}.$$ A is to be considered constant.

Squaring, in the ultra-relativistic limit one obtains the dispersion relation

$$(E-A)^{2}-p^{2} \simeq mm^{\dagger}$$ i.e.

$$p \simeq E -(\frac{mm^{\dagger}}{2E}+A).$$

What I have is $$(i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-A\gamma_{0})(-i(\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu})^{\dagger}-A(\gamma_{0})^{\dagger})$$ and I know $$\gamma_{0}^{\dagger} = \gamma_{0}$$ and $$(\gamma^{\mu})^{\dagger} = \gamma^{0}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{0}.$$

But I am not seeing how to get $$(E-A)^{2}-p^{2} \simeq mm^{\dagger}$$ from this. Any hints would be greatly appreciated!
 
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TroyElliott said:
For a Majorana neutrino in matter we have the equation $$(i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-A\gamma_{0})\nu_{L} = m\overline{\nu_{L}}.$$ A is to be considered constant.

No, that does not make sense. You are essentially saying column vector = row vector. Please give a reference to where you are looking this up.
 
Orodruin said:
No, that does not make sense. You are essentially saying column vector = row vector. Please give a reference to where you are looking this up.

I uploaded a screen shot. The pdf is called "Neutrino masses and mixings and..." by Alessandro Strumia and Francesco Vissani. The exact page that screen shot comes from is page 31.
 

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m is a matrix. That turns a column vector into a row vector.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
m is a matrix. That turns a column vector into a row vector.
This is not how matrix multiplication works. Square matrix x column vector = new column vector.
 
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You're right. I am not sure what I was thinking.
 
TroyElliott said:
I uploaded a screen shot. The pdf is called "Neutrino masses and mixings and..." by Alessandro Strumia and Francesco Vissani. The exact page that screen shot comes from is page 31.
So, the proper way of referring to a paper is giving the link, not providing a screenshot of a single page. This paper is found on the arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0606054.pdf
Generally, it seems to me that Strumia and Vissani are being rather sloppy (or non-standard) with their notation. They are certainly people I know know better than that.
 
Orodruin said:
So, the proper way of referring to a paper is giving the link, not providing a screenshot of a single page. This paper is found on the arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0606054.pdf

I prefer

https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0606054

It is easy to click on the pdf, and I (and the Mentors) can see at a a glance if the paper has been submitted/accepted to/by a a particular journal, or if the paper is a report, set of summer school lectures, etc.
 
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Orodruin said:
So, the proper way of referring to a paper is giving the link, not providing a screenshot of a single page. This paper is found on the arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0606054.pdf

I prefer

https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0606054

It is easy to click on the pdf, and I (and the Mentors) can see at a a glance if the paper has been submitted/accepted to/by a a particular journal, or if the paper is a report, set of summer school lectures, etc.
 
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Well, the equation (why the authors do not use equation numbers is an enigma to me) at the very beginning of 3.4 (a) is correct, if the bar simply means conjugate complex. Maybe one has to read the notation in this way. On the other hand it seems as if the bar is the standard notation for Dirac fermions (i.e., bi-spinors of the ##(1/2,0) \oplus (0,1/2)## representation), i.e., ##\bar{\psi}=\psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0##. It's at least bad notation...
 

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