Make an intercom without IC 741

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The discussion revolves around designing a basic intercom circuit without using the IC 741 operational amplifier. Participants are exploring alternative op-amps suitable for this application, considering factors such as noise levels, bandwidth, and circuit configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the TL 082 as an alternative, noting its lower noise and higher bandwidth compared to the 741.
  • Another participant mentions the LM 386 as a potential option, highlighting its adjustable gain.
  • The LM 358 is proposed by a participant for its dual op-amp configuration, though it is not JFET based.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the LM324 quad op-amp, emphasizing its compatibility with a single voltage power supply.
  • The TL 072 is recommended by another participant for its reliability and sound quality, with a suggestion to use multiple op-amps for better gain distribution.
  • A participant raises concerns about substituting parts, noting the standard nature of op-amp audio amplifiers but advising caution regarding pin connections and offset nulling features.
  • There are suggestions regarding circuit power management, particularly about using batteries efficiently by only powering the amplifier when needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on which op-amp to use, and there is no consensus on a single alternative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice for the intercom circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential issues with pin connections and the absence of offset nulling in some op-amps, which may affect circuit design. There are also considerations regarding power management that are not fully explored.

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I am making a project on linear circuits and am planning to make a basic intercom circuit. But I don't wish to use the 741 IC in it, which is generally used. so please suggest an alternative OP AMP for the same.
 
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By far the best opamp is one you can get locally. If it is gold plated but only available in Timbuktu, it isn't much good to you.

Radio Shack carries the TL 082 which is actually a double JFet input op amp. Costs about $2.
This seems to be half as noisy as a 741 and has a bandwidth of about 4 MHz vs 1 MHz for the 741.

I'm sure there are better OPamps out there, but this is an intercom circuit so how good does it have to be?

Another possibility is the LM386 which is a power amp, but with quite high gain that you can adjust.
 
Also LM 358 is very handy, it has two op-amps, just like TL 082, but is not fet based.
 
I kind of like working with the LM324 quad. op-amp. You can use a single voltage power supply with them.
"www.national.com/ds/LM/LM124.pdf"[/URL]
You can get some application notes here:
[PLAIN]http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM324.html"
 
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I like the TL 072 too. They always seem to work immediately and sound great. Never heard any noise from them.

The 324 is great too. I like to string a number of the opamps in them together with low gain rather than have a lot of gain in one opamp. So, 3 lots of times 10 gives a gain of 1000 and with much better bandwidth than just using one stage.

Also, having 4 opamps means you can have a couple just making a BEEP noise for an intercom.
 
so do I need to change something else in the remaining circuit or everything else remains the same?
 
There is always a risk with substituting parts, but opamp audio amplifiers are pretty standard, so it is worth a try.

You could attach your circuit here and maybe something will ring alarm bells. Or, you could just build it and see if it works.

The pin connections will be different and most of these chips mentioned don't have offset nulling, so omit anything like that.

Try not to have power from batteries powering the intercom all the time. If you have the two speakers connected to the line all the time nobody is talking and the power only applied to the amplifier when the sender wishes to talk. At that time, he switches his own speaker from the output and possibly uses it as a microphone.
This way, batteries will last a long time.
If you can power it from the mains, it doesn't matter if it is powered all the time.
 

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