Making a Solid Rocket Engine Abroad: What Can I Do?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of building a solid rocket engine while living abroad, specifically in Kazakhstan, where access to common rocket propellant materials is limited. Participants explore potential fuel sources and oxidizers, as well as resources for guidance on amateur rocket construction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in building model rockets but faces difficulties obtaining premade engines and common combustibles like potassium nitrate.
  • Another suggests checking archives of the rec.pyrotechnics group for information, noting that it consists of professionals and hobbyists.
  • A book titled "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction" is mentioned as a potential resource for the participant's needs.
  • Some participants propose using common sugar (sucrose) as a fuel, but emphasize the necessity of an oxidizer for combustion.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of making one's own oxidizers, with references to potassium chlorate and fertilizers containing nitrates.
  • One participant humorously notes the proximity to the Baikonur Cosmodrome while discussing the availability of nitrates in fertilizers.
  • Suggestions for alternative fuel combinations, such as sugar with kerosene or other substances, are raised, but the need for an oxidizer remains a concern.
  • Concerns about the discussion veering into dangerous activities are expressed, leading to a warning about the forum rules regarding discussions of illegal or dangerous activities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for creating a solid rocket engine, with multiple competing views on potential fuel sources and oxidizers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding safe and feasible options for the participant's situation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in accessing materials and knowledge necessary for constructing rocket engines, highlighting the dependency on local resources and regulations. The discussion also touches on the legality and safety of the proposed activities.

Andrew Buren
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I really enjoy building model rockets, however, I moved oversees and can't get premade engins. Nor can I get potassium nitrate or any other common combustable.
What can I do to make a small solid rocket engin??
 
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Check archives of rec.pyrotechnics group, you should be able to easily google them. Note: I have never read this group by myself, but from what I was told by people I trust this is not a bunch of suicidal pyromaniacs, but group of professionals and hobbyists that know the subject.
 
there is a book called amateur rocket motor construction that looks like maybe what you want
 
What I need is fuel out of very common things.
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Andrew Buren said:
What I need is fuel out of very common things.
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Common sugar (Sucrose) can be used as a fuel in rocket propellants. But you still need an oxidizer to mix with it in order to support rapid combustion. You already said you cannot get things like Potassium Nitrate, so that will make your endeavor much more difficult; you have bountiful fuel but no oxidizer.

Of course you could make your own oxidizers, providing you had the knowledge. We used to have a very nice thread on Potassium Chlorate…to bad it is not longer around.
 
So where are you in the world that won't allow Estes engines?
 
I'm in the countery of Kazakhstan. No hobby shops, or chem. departemnts to by this stuff.
Do you how I could make a simple oxidizer.
 
oh boy...
 
I know it is a bad joke, but I can't help it. If you are in Kazakhstan, you are close to the Baikonur Cosmodrome :smile:

Speaking about nitrats - they are present in some fertiilizers.
 
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Borek said:
I know it is a bad joke, but I can't help it. If you are in Kazakhstan, you are close to the Baikonur Cosmodrome :smile:

Speaking about nitrats - they are present in some fertiilizers.

true, but what's the easiest way of seperating them?

you could make a hybrid rocket. use the sugar and maybe kerosene. it's used in lamps and stuff. i heard Sterno and the phosphor out of the old road flares works too.

now, my friend used to make small rockets using solid fuel made out of both sugar and potassium nitrate (the fertilizer). Thing is, I can't remember if it was 1/3 sugar and 2/3 potassium nitrate or the other way round.
 
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randeezy said:
true, but what's the easiest way of seperating them?

Recrystallization.

you could make a hybrid rocket. use the sugar and maybe kerosene

You are still missing oxidizer.
 
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Sorry folks. Getting a bit too close to the "dangerous activities" part of the PF Rules (see the link at the top of the page). Making rocket fuel is not something that fits within the PF Rules. Locked.

PF Rules said:
Illegal/Dangerous Activities:
Explicit "how to" discussions of illegal and/or dangerous activities, or posts advocating such activities, are prohibited; such as: how to make explosives, manufacture crack, steal software, hack into the CIA, ...

Additional details regarding discussion of controlled substances and chemicals can be found in the Chemistry Forum Guidelines.
 

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