Manipulating Equivalent Expressions -4/(4x+1)^(1/2) to (1/4+x)^(-1/2)

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around manipulating the expression -4 / (4x + 1)^(1/2) to transform it into the form (1/4 + x)^(-1/2). Participants express confusion regarding the equivalence of these expressions and the manipulation process involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to manipulate the original expression using algebraic techniques and index laws. Some question the validity of transforming one expression into the other, noting they are not equivalent. Others explore the relationship between Taylor series and integration to find a solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of expressions and the relationship between different series, but no consensus has been reached on the equivalence of the expressions or the correct method to achieve the desired transformation.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a previous similar problem in another forum, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the relationship between the functions involved. Participants are also considering the implications of integrating series to find Taylor expansions.

cosmictide
Messages
37
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Hi guys, I'm getting confused trying to manipulate an expression. Any help here would be hugely appreciated.

How do I manipulate the expression -4 / (4x + 1)1/2 to become (1/4 + x)-1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried dividing by -4 to get and used an index law to get (1/2)*(x+1)-1/2 but that's clearly not the expression I want. I'd really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance. :smile:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
cosmictide said:

Homework Statement



Hi guys, I'm getting confused trying to manipulate an expression. Any help here would be hugely appreciated.

How do I manipulate the expression -4 / (4x + 1)1/2 to become (1/4 + x)-1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried dividing by -4 to get and used an index law to get (1/2)*(x+1)-1/2 but that's clearly not the expression I want. I'd really appreciate if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance. :smile:
The two expressions you wrote are actually not equal. You can easily check by plugging a value of x, for example x=0.
 
nrqed said:
The two expressions you wrote are actually not equal. You can easily check by plugging a value of x, for example x=0.

Hi, thanks for your reply. :smile:

I know they're not equivalent, what I'm trying to do is manipulating the first expression to become the second expression if that makes sense.
 
cosmictide said:
Hi, thanks for your reply. :smile:

I know they're not equivalent, what I'm trying to do is manipulating the first expression to become the second expression if that makes sense.

Since they are not equivalent it is impossible to manipulate one to bring it in the form of the other.
 
nrqed said:
Since they are not equivalent it is impossible to manipulate one to bring it in the form of the other.

Okay so I must be missing something else. I'm trying to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 from the series of the function f(x) =

(1/4 + x)-3/2 = 8 - 48x + 240x2 - 1120x3 by using integration.

I've done the integration to get

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = c + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

Taking x=0 I calculated the constant c = -4 leaving me with

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = -4 + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

This is where I'm struggling. If I am asked to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 then shouldn't the left-hand side of the equation above be equivalent to this or am I missing something else?

Thanks. :smile:
 
Since the problem involves Taylor series, I moved it to the Calculus section.
 
cosmictide said:
Okay so I must be missing something else. I'm trying to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 from the series of the function f(x) =

(1/4 + x)-3/2 = 8 - 48x + 240x2 - 1120x3 by using integration.

I've done the integration to get

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = c + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

Taking x=0 I calculated the constant c = -4 leaving me with

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = -4 + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

This is where I'm struggling. If I am asked to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 then shouldn't the left-hand side of the equation above be equivalent to this or am I missing something else?

Thanks. :smile:

You had a similar problem in the Calculus and Beyond Forum, and made the same error there. The fact is that you cannot get the series for ##(1/4 + x)^{-1/2}## directly by integrating the series for ##(1/4+x)^{-3/2}##. You ought to be able to see the reason: if ##F'(x)
\neq G(x)## the series for ##G(x)## is not gotten from that of ##F(x)## by differentiating and vice-versa (integrating instead of differentiating). However, if ##F'(x) = c G(x)## for some known constant ##c## then it is not difficult to pass from one to the other. Do you see how?

Note: typo edited out now.
 
Last edited:
cosmictide said:
Okay so I must be missing something else. I'm trying to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 from the series of the function f(x) =

(1/4 + x)-3/2 = 8 - 48x + 240x2 - 1120x3 by using integration.

I've done the integration to get

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = c + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

Taking x=0 I calculated the constant c = -4 leaving me with

-4 / (4x + 1)1/2 = -4 + 8x - 24x2 + 80x3 - ...

This is where I'm struggling. If I am asked to find the Taylor series about 0 for the function g(x) = (1/4 + x)-1/2 then shouldn't the left-hand side of the equation above be equivalent to this or am I missing something else?

Thanks. :smile:

I did not check all the numbers but it does look good to me, so far.
Ok, now you do need to rewrite the left side in the form

\frac{C}{(1/4 +x)^{1/2}}

where C is a constant.
Once you have that, just divide both sides of your result by the constant and you will have your final answer.

So what you need to do now is to find the constant required so that

\frac{C}{(1/4 +x)^{1/2}} = - \frac{4}{(4x +1)^{1/2}}
 
Thanks guys, much appreciated.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
7K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
5K
Replies
0
Views
1K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K