Marginal Probability Mass Functions

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The discussion revolves around discrete random variables X and Y, which are defined by their joint probability mass function pXY(x,y) = 2-x-y. Participants are tasked with determining the marginal probability mass functions pX(x) and pY(y), assessing the independence of X and Y, and calculating expected values E[X], E[Y], and E[XY].

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method for deriving marginal PMFs from the joint PMF, with some expressing uncertainty about the process and seeking guidance. There are also considerations regarding the notation used for probability functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the marginal PMFs and have attempted to clarify the independence of the variables. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken, and questions remain regarding the calculations and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using distinct notation for different probability functions to avoid confusion. There is also a recognition of the need to properly handle summations in the context of expected values.

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Homework Statement



Discrete random variables X and Y , whose values are positive integers, have the joint
probability mass function pXY(x,y) = 2-x-y. Determine the marginal probability mass
functions pX(x) and pY(y). Are X and Y independent? Determine E[X], E[Y], and E[XY].

Homework Equations



Independence is determined by whether p(x,y) = p(x)p(y) for all x and y.

The Attempt at a Solution



My notes don't have much on the topic of determining marginal PMF's using a JPMF... I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.
 
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twoski said:

Homework Statement



Discrete random variables X and Y , whose values are positive integers, have the joint
probability mass function pXY(x,y) = 2-x-y. Determine the marginal probability mass
functions pX(x) and pY(y). Are X and Y independent? Determine E[X], E[Y], and E[XY].

Homework Equations



Independence is determined by whether p(x,y) = p(x)p(y) for all x and y.

The Attempt at a Solution



My notes don't have much on the topic of determining marginal PMF's using a JPMF... I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.

The marginal pmf of X is
p_X(x) = P\{ X = x, Y \leq \infty\} = \sum_{\text{all }y} p(x,y).
BTW: it is bad form to use the same symbol p to stand for three different things in the same problem. Instead, use subscripts, like this (##p_X(x), p_Y(y)##) or different letters, like this: ##g(x)## and ##h(y)##.
 
Ray Vickson said:
The marginal pmf of X is
p_X(x) = P\{ X = x, Y \leq \infty\} = \sum_{\text{all }y} p(x,y).
BTW: it is bad form to use the same symbol p to stand for three different things in the same problem. Instead, use subscripts, like this (##p_X(x), p_Y(y)##) or different letters, like this: ##g(x)## and ##h(y)##.

So if that's the marginal PMF of x, then for y...

p_Y(y) = P\{ X \leq \infty\ , Y = y} = \sum_{\text{all }x} p(x,y).
 
twoski said:
So if that's the marginal PMF of x, then for y...

p_Y(y) = P\{ X \leq \infty\ , Y = y\} = \sum_{\text{all }x} p_{X,Y}(x,y).

Fixed it, and yes that is correct.
 
So using these 2 PMFs i have to determine whether X and Y are independent. Going by the definition i'd say they are independent.

Is this right?

E[X] = \sum_{\text{k}} x_k * p_X(x_k) = \sum_{\text{k}} x_k * \sum_{\text{x}} p(x,y).
 
Your ##E(X)## is right. For the next question, use the theorem: If ##X,Y## are independent, then ##E(XY) = E(X)E(Y)##.
 
twoski said:
So using these 2 PMFs i have to determine whether X and Y are independent. Going by the definition i'd say they are independent.

Is this right?

E[X] = \sum_{\text{k}} x_k * p_X(x_k) = \sum_{\text{k}} x_k * \sum_{\text{x}} p(x,y).

Your equation makes no sense: it is essentially summing over x twice, and not doing anything with y.
 

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