Mass-spring-damper system solve for x(t) using power series

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The problem involves a mass-spring-damper system where a 10kg mass is suspended from a spring with a stiffness of 100N/m and a damping coefficient of 1000Ns/m. The mass is initially displaced 4cm from its equilibrium position and released. Participants are tasked with establishing the differential equation of motion and solving for displacement over time using power series.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and initial conditions, with some suggesting that the second derivative at time zero is not zero due to the maximum acceleration of the mass. Others question the necessity of using power series for this problem, suggesting alternative methods might be simpler.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the setup of the problem and the implications of the initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the coefficients in the power series expansion, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or values for the coefficients beyond the initial conditions.

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Participants are working under specific homework constraints that require the use of power series for the solution. There is a noted confusion regarding the initial conditions, particularly the value of the second derivative at time zero.

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Homework Statement


A mass of 10kg is suspended from vertical spring of stiffens 100N/m and is provided with dashpot damper having damping coefficient of 1000Ns/m.
The mass is pulled down the distance of 4cm from its equilibrium position and than released.
Establish the differential equation of motion and solve using power series for variation in displacement with time.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Started with
mx''(t)=-kx(t)-cx'(t)
and initial conditions
t0=0,x(t0)=4cm=0.04m, x'(t0)=0,x''(t0)=0 here assume that velocity and acceleration=0
at t=0
after solving using power series got:
x(t)=a0+a1x+a2x2+a3x3+... a0=0.04 but all the rest of coefficients =0

That can be right ,please help
 
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its not 0 for the rest for coefficient , u just have to treat the equation as some function and take its derivative, and since u know x' and x u know x'' by the equation , taking the derivative will get u the equation consist of x''' , x'' and x' and x'', x' have already been known
 
mx^''=-kx-cx'
x^''+c/m x^'+k/m x=0
Putting known values into equation:
x^''+100/10 x^'+1000/10 x=0
x^''+10x^'+100x=0
Now solving using power series:
Let assume that:
x(t)=a_0+a_1 t+a_2 t^2+a_3 t^3+..
t_0=0,x_0=0.04 so a_0=0.04 From initial conditions

x^' (t)=a_1+〖2a〗_2 t+〖3a〗_3 t^2+〖4a〗_4 t^3+..
t_0=0,〖x'〗_0=0 so a_1=0 From initial conditions

x^'' (t)=〖2a〗_2+〖6a〗_3 t+〖12a〗_4 t^2+20a_5 t^3+..
t_0=0,〖x''〗_0=0 so a_2=0 From initial conditions
Putting these into differential equation
x^''+10x^'+100x=0
〖(2a〗_2+〖6a〗_3 t+〖12a〗_4 t^2+20a_5 t^3+..)+10(a_1+〖2a〗_2 t+〖3a〗_3 t^2+〖4a〗_4 t^3+..)+
+100(a_0+a_1 t+a_2 t^2+a_3 t^3+..)=0

Rearranging
100a_0+10a_1+2a_2+(100a_1+20a_2+6a_3 )t+(100a_2+30a_3+12a_4 ) t^2+
+(100a_3+40a_4+20a_5 ) t^3=0
And a_0=0.04 ,a_1=0,a_2=0 -From initial conditions
0.04+(100a_1+20a_2+6a_3 )t+(100a_2+30a_3+12a_4 ) t^2+(100a_3+40a_4+20a_5 ) t^3=0

this is where I m now
but don't konw how to get rest of coefficents
 
Are you trying to solve this by power series for some reason? Although that should work, it is certainly the hard way to do a constant coefficient DE.
 
hi ,yes its one of task for my math assignment and its specified to solve it using power series
 
actually x''(0) is not zero since the object is at the amplitude it should have maximum accelaration toward equilibrium point
 
maciejj said:

Homework Statement


A mass of 10kg is suspended from vertical spring of stiffens 100N/m and is provided with dashpot damper having damping coefficient of 1000Ns/m.
The mass is pulled down the distance of 4cm from its equilibrium position and than released.
Establish the differential equation of motion and solve using power series for variation in displacement with time.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Started with
mx''(t)=-kx(t)-cx'(t)
and initial conditions
t0=0,x(t0)=4cm=0.04m, x'(t0)=0,x''(t0)=0 here assume that velocity and acceleration=0
at t=0
after solving using power series got:
x(t)=a0+a1x+a2x2+a3x3+... a0=0.04 but all the rest of coefficients =0

That can be right ,please help

Show your work. Without some indication of where you went wrong, it would be impossible to assist you.

RGV
 
Hi ,have uploaded a pdf file showing what I have done.
So what initial conditions would you use?
 

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maciejj said:
Hi ,have uploaded a pdf file showing what I have done.
So what initial conditions would you use?

People keep telling you that x''(0) is nonzero, but you don't listen. The DE x'' = -10 x' - 100x gives x''(0) = -100*4/100 = -4.

That will give you an equation of the form C1*t + C2*t^2 + C3*t^3 + ... = 0, where the C1, C2, C3,... are linear combinations of your a1, a2, a3, ... . The equation is supposed to be an identity in t, so that means that all the coefficients must vanish; that is, we must have C1 = 0, C2 = 0, C3 = 0, ... . Solving those will give you the coefficients a1, a2, a3, ... in the expansion of x(t).

RGV
 
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have changed x''(0)
is that correct now?
 

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