Math for GR: Branches & Building Blocks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the various branches of mathematics that serve as foundational elements for understanding General Relativity (GR). Participants explore different mathematical prerequisites and resources for learning GR, considering varying levels of mathematical background and learning preferences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the importance of Riemannian geometry and tensor calculus as essential for GR.
  • One participant recommends Nakahara's topology and geometry book as a comprehensive and accessible resource for GR.
  • Another participant lists several books that require minimal mathematical background, suggesting that GR can be approached at different mathematical levels.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of basic linear algebra knowledge before tackling Hartle's book on GR.
  • A participant expresses interest in using Gilbert Strang's Linear Algebra book, seeking advice on its suitability for self-learning.
  • Concerns are raised about the upcoming second edition of Taylor and Wheeler's book, particularly regarding its treatment of cosmology and potential changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of certain mathematical concepts for understanding GR, but there is no consensus on the specific resources or the level of mathematical background required. The discussion remains open regarding the best approach to learning GR based on individual goals and backgrounds.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with mathematics and physics, which may influence their recommendations. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on individual learning objectives and backgrounds to tailor the mathematical preparation for GR.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for self-learners interested in General Relativity, educators seeking resources for teaching GR, and individuals assessing their mathematical readiness for advanced physics topics.

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Hello,

Can somebody tell me what are the different branches of mathematics required as building block of GR?
 
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Yes, that part I know, but anything more specific.
 
The main thing you should know is Riemannian geometry and then tensor calculus
 
I always recommend Nakahara's topology and geometry book. That pretty much covers everything you need to know for GR and is accessible if you know linear algebra and the usual calculus stuff.
 
You can learn GR at many different mathematical levels. The following books use little or no math:

Geroch, "General Relativity from A to B"
Gardner, "Relativity Simply Explained"
Einstein, "Relativity: The Special and General Theory ," http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/EinRela.html

These books use nothing beyond freshman calculus:

Taylor and Wheeler, "Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity"
Hartle, "Gravity: An Introduction to Einstein's General Relativity"

So to answer your question, we'd really need to know something about your goals. At what level do you want to understand GR? If your goal is to dive into a graduate text, then we could discuss that.

Also, what is your background in physics? This is much more likely to lead to problems than a lack of mathematical background.
 
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Hello Ben,

The books you have mentioned are wonderful. I would like to go for Hartley. However, can you please advise me whether I should go for the following book on Linear Algebra by Gilbert Strang. Please remember, I am a self learner, so too much advanced or less illustrative boo would be difficult for me. Please find below the link:

http://www.cambridgeindia.org/showbookdetails.asp?ISBN=9788175968110

-- Shounak
 
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I think it might be helpful to know a small amount of basic linear algebra before you try Hartle.
 
Yes, that is why I was asking about the book; the link which I have sent.

-- Shounak
 
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bcrowell said:
Taylor and Wheeler, "Exploring Black Holes: Introduction to General Relativity"

The second edition of Taylor and Wheeler (and now Bertschinger) should (finally) be out in month or two. The second edition has a much better treatment of cosmology, but I am curious if the second edition will have features that I dislike.
bcrowell said:
I think it might be helpful to know a small amount of basic linear algebra before you try Hartle.

And some Calc III, i.e., Hartle uses partial derivatives and a few multiple integrals.
 

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