Math Physics: Lagrange Multiplier question

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The discussion centers on solving a Lagrange Multiplier problem from "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" by Mary Boas, specifically regarding maximizing the volume of a projectile shaped as a circular cylinder with a conical end under a given surface area constraint. The volume formula is V=πr²l+(1/3)πr²√(s²-r²), and the surface area is SA=πrs+πr²+2πrl. Participants express confusion about deriving numerical values for radius (r), length (l), and slope (s) from the surface area without specific numerical constraints. The challenge lies in managing the algebraic complexity while applying the method of Lagrange multipliers effectively.

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Homework Statement


Hello. I've been stuck on a Lagrange Multiplier problem. It's from Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences by Mary Boas 3rd edition pg. 222. The question is:

What proportions will maximize the volume of a projectile in the form of a circular cylinder with one conical end and one flat end, if the surface area is given?

Then there is a picture of a cylinder with a cone attached to the end. the circular base has radius r, cylinder has length l, and slope of the cone is marked s.

So I've started doing the problem, but something just doesn't seem right. How am I supposed to get an answer if I don't know what the surface area is? I looked in the back of the book and there are numerical answers for r, l, and s. How am I supposed to get actual number answers and not something just in terms of the surface area?

I really want to get this clarified before I go much further because the algebra is absolutely horrendous.

Homework Equations



The volume is V=pi*r^2*l+(1/3)*pi*r^2*(sqrt(s^2-r^2))
and the surface area is SA=pi*r*s+pi*r^2+2*pi*r*l

then to do lagrange multipliers you write F=V+b(SA)
(usually lambda is used instead of b)

The Attempt at a Solution



So then you get use the three partial derivatives and the surface area equation and get a system of 4 equations and solve.

I've solved them out to get values of r, l, and s as functions of lambda (b) and it was a huge mess. Now all that's left is to plug them into the surface area equation and somehow get numerical answers...? I'm really confused.
 
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bump. I've solved out the algebra and have r, l, and s in terms of lambda but I don't know how to get the proportions.

also I noticed something...I can get s in terms of r and l in terms of r and s. Dunno if that could help or anything though...
 

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