Mathematics most used in GR and QM

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The discussion revolves around the branches of mathematics that are most useful for understanding General Relativity (GR) and Quantum Mechanics (QM). Participants explore various mathematical concepts and their relevance to these fields, focusing on the level of rigor and understanding desired by the original poster (OP).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that tensor calculus is essential for General Relativity, while partial differential equations, complex analysis, Fourier analysis, and Hilbert spaces are important for Quantum Mechanics.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of having a solid understanding of linear algebra for both GR and QM.
  • Another participant mentions the need for knowledge of smooth and pseudo-Riemannian manifolds for GR, noting that the required rigor depends on the chosen learning material.
  • There is a discussion about the level of rigor the OP desires, with suggestions ranging from understanding the equations to a deeper comprehension of the foundational aspects of the subjects.
  • The OP expresses a desire to understand the mathematical principles behind GR and QM in a manner analogous to their understanding of calculus and kinematics, and finds value in understanding mathematical proofs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of specific mathematical concepts for GR and QM, but there is no consensus on the level of rigor or depth of understanding that should be pursued.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights varying perspectives on the necessary mathematical background for GR and QM, with some participants advocating for a more rigorous approach while others suggest a more applied understanding may suffice.

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Hi all! Been a while since I was on PF and I greatly regret it. Forgot how great the community was. Anyways on to my point.

I'm going into my second ywar of post secondary and planning to major in physics, and have the eventual goal of understanding both General relativity, and Quantum mechanics extremely thoroughly. Although I'm told I'll be given the formula's and some math I'll need IN THE COURSE, I wish to learn the math required separately, so to best master the physics and understand where the math comes from etc.

So my question is; can anyone tell me what branches of mathematics are most useful for General relativity, and/or which ones are best for Quantum mechanics?

*I have already taken Calculus 1 & 2, linear algebra, and Statistics (all first year courses) so please be more specific than this! Thanks!
 
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For general relativity, you'll want to learn some tensor calculus for sure. For quantum mechanics, partial differential equations, complex analysis, Fourier analysis, and Hilbert spaces are all important. Also, make sure your linear algebra is good and solid, for either quantum or GR.

For a first course in quantum, if you know what separation of variables is and understand the Fourier series and Fourier transform, that should help a lot.
 
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For GR you will need smooth and pseudo-riemannian manifolds. How rigorous a knowledge of them you will need depends a lot on the book from which you choose to learn GR.
 
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For GR you will need smooth and pseudo-riemannian manifolds. How rigorous a knowledge of them you will need depends a lot on the book from which you choose to learn GR.

Right. The OP needs to specify how rigorous he wants things to be. For example, you could learn the math necessary to just understand the equations and to apply it. Then a mathematical methods book will be ideal. Or you can learn the math so you can really understand the very foundations of a subject. Then you will have to study quite some heavy math. What you want to have is possibly somewhere in between this. So you'll need to specify this.

For examples, do you want to learn math proofs?
 
Hi all! Sorry I didn't specify the degree of rigor of which I wish to understand the math required for the physics.

My goal is to understand these principles and domains of math for GR & QM analogous to how much I understand the relationship between Calculus and kinematics, or Linear algebra and Dynamics. That being that I understand the fundamental theorems of calculus and where they come from, and how we use calculus to derive kinematic formula's for constant v or constant a, etc. I apologize if this is not specific enough I hope this can provide some insight into the degree of which I wish to understand.

EDIT: I do as well find it incredibly revealing when I understand a proof of a mathematical concept.
 
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