Mathmetics in Introductory Quantum Mechanics book

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical challenges encountered in solving integrals related to quantum mechanics, specifically Gaussian integrals. Participants explore the mathematical background necessary for understanding these integrals and their applications in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with specific integrals, such as Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(-x^2)dx and Integral(-inf to +inf) (x^2) e^(-x^2)dx, and questions the mathematical background required for these calculations.
  • Another participant mentions that Gaussian integrals are typically not covered in undergraduate math courses but are often introduced in physics courses.
  • A participant corrects a misunderstanding regarding the convergence of the integral Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(x^2)dx, noting that it does not converge, while Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(-x^2)dx does and is relevant in probability and quantum mechanics.
  • One participant provides a detailed method for evaluating Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(-x^2)dx using polar coordinates and discusses the lack of elementary anti-derivatives for these integrals.
  • Another participant shares their experience of finding relevant information in an advanced calculus book and expresses gratitude for the assistance received in locating the integral.
  • There is a mention of the prerequisites for quantum mechanics courses, highlighting the necessity of complex analysis and multi-variable calculus for understanding the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the mathematics involved in introductory quantum mechanics, but there are differing views on the specific mathematical prerequisites and the coverage of Gaussian integrals in standard curricula.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the integrals discussed do not have elementary anti-derivatives and that their evaluation often requires advanced techniques, which may not be covered in all introductory calculus courses.

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I'm reading Introductory quantum mechanics written by liboff.
When I solve problems, I stuck with calculation such as Intergral(-inf to +inf) e^(-x^2)dx, Intergral(-inf to +inf) (x^2) e^(-x^2)dx, and other many integrals.
I studied thomas' calculus but I think I haven't seen these in the book. So can't do it. Are there math books about these integrals? What math subject is related to these (high level?)integrals?
 
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These are examples of Gaussian integrals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_integral

I don't recall seeing them in any of my undergraduate math courses. I think most physics students (in the USA at least) learn about them in their physics courses.
 
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<Intergral(-inf to +inf) e^(x^2)dx> and the other one. I think you meant them with a minus e^(-x^2).

It depends on the curricula. An advanced course of calculus is normally taken before quantum mechanics or statistical mechanics.
 
The first one, Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(x^2)dx, is not in Thomas because it does not converge. But [itex]\int_{-infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}dx[/itex], as dextercioby suggests, certainly is in Thomas, and the second is a variation. You may be trying to find an anti-derivative formula and not finding that- neither integrand has an "elementary" anti-derivative. Both are used extensively in probability ([itex]e^{-x^2}[/itex] is the "bell shaped curve") and so in quantum mechanics.

Here is a simple way to get the first integral:
Let [itex]I= \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}dx[/itex]. Since the integrand is symmetric about x=0, we also have [itex]I/2= \int_0^\infty e^{-x^2}dx[/itex].

And, we can write [itex]I/2= \int_0^\infty e^{-y^2}dy[/itex]. Multiplying those together, [itex]I^2/4= \left(\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2}dx\right)\left(\int_0^\infty e^{-y^2}dy\right)[/itex]. By Fubini's theorem, we can write that product of integrals as a double integral:
[tex]I^2/4= \int_{x= 0}^{\infty}\int_{y=0}^\infty e^{-(x^2+ y^2}dydx[/tex]

Now, change to polar coordinates: [itex]x^2+ y^2= r^2cos^2(\theta)+ r^2sin^2(\theta)= r^2 and [itex]dydx= r drd\theta[/itex]. The area of integration, with both x going from 0 to infinity is the first quadrant. In polar coordinates, r goes from 0 to infinity while [itex]\theta[/itex] goes from 0 to [itex]\pi/2[/itex]. The integral becomes<br /> [tex]I^2/4= \int_{\theta= 0}^{\pi/2}\int_{r=0}^\infty e^{-r^2} rdrd\theta= \frac{\pi}{2}\int_0^\infty e^{-r^2} rdr[/tex]<br /> <br /> That extra 'r' in the integrand now allows us to make the change of variable [itex]u= r^2[/itex] so [itex]du= 2r dr[/itex] and the integral becomes<br /> [tex]I^2/4= \frac{\pi}{4}\int_0^\infty e^{-u}du[/tex]<br /> which is easy.<br /> <br /> It was necessary, to make that change to polar coordinates, that the integral be over the entire first quadrant. Again, that function, [itex]e^{-x^2}[/itex], has no elementary anti-derivative. In fact, its anti-derivative is typically written "erf(x)", the "error function", and it values are got by a numerical integration.[/itex]
 
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Thank you very much for your helps and I'm glad to finally locate it.
Trying to find that integral, I have flipped over pages of thomas so many times.
Even I borrowed from library advanced calculus written by bucks. I found gamma function and Integral(-inf to +inf) e^(-x^2)dx in this book. Now I'm about to read both of them. Thanks again.
P.S. I'm curious about how to input mathematical notations at the post.
 
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I'm curious about how to input mathematical notations at the post.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=386951
 
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For the records, just because it's <Introductory> QM, it doesn't mean it uses simple mathematics. That's why serious professors always provide their students with the so-called <prerequisites> before attempting any of their courses. As anybody should know, complex analysis and multi-variable differential and integral calculus are pre-requisites for a quantum mechanics course.

Of course, books don't have prerequisites, but merely opening one should get you informed on the necessary mathematics you need to comprehend its content.
 

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