Matrix of a linear transformation for an integral?

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem in linear algebra concerning the matrix representation of a linear transformation defined by the definite integral of a function. The scope includes concepts related to linear transformations, matrices, and the relationship between different vector spaces.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with a homework problem regarding the matrix of a linear transformation involving integrals, noting a lack of clarity in the textbook and the instructor's teaching style.
  • Another participant points out that integrals can be viewed as linear transformations and provides a general method for representing a linear transformation as a matrix based on ordered bases.
  • A participant reiterates the original problem, emphasizing confusion about the concept of having two bases and the absence of relevant material in the textbook.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant found the relevant section in the textbook, suggesting that the necessary information was located in a later chapter.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial understanding of the problem, but there is a shared acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the relationship between linear transformations and their matrix representations.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the definitions of linear transformations and bases, as well as the specific mathematical steps required to derive the matrix representation.

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i am having trouble with some homework problems in my linear algebra course... the book is brescher and the teacher is sort of a rambling nutcase whose presentation of material is anything but 'linear', and very difficult for me to follow. similarly the book contains problems that i can't seem to suss out based on the chapter. this is for the homework for a section on 'introduction to linear spaces' which mostly gave examples of 'how to tell if this is a subspace of this'...

the problem is: find the matrix A (a vector with four components) of the linear transformation T(f(t)) = the definite integral of f(t) from 3 to -9 with respect to the standard bases for P_3 and R. there is nothing in the chapter about integrals as matrices, and what does it mean to have two bases at once...?? thanks
 
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Is there anything in your book about itegrals as linear transformations? Or about writing a general linear transformation as a matrix? Those are what you need here.

An integral is a linear transformation: \int af(x)+ bg(x)dx= a\int f(x)dx+ b\int g(x)dx.

To write a linear transformation from vector space U to vector space V, given ordered bases for each, do the following. Apply the linear transformation to the first vector in the ordered basis for U. That will be in V so can be written as a linear combination of the ordered basis for V. The coefficients of that linear combination will be the first column in the matrix. Do the same with the second vector in the ordered basis for U to get the second column, etc.
 
marathon said:
the problem is: find the matrix A (a vector with four components) of the linear transformation T(f(t)) = the definite integral of f(t) from 3 to -9 with respect to the standard bases for P_3 and R. there is nothing in the chapter about integrals as matrices, and what does it mean to have two bases at once...?? thanks
The relationship between linear operators and matrices is explained e.g. in post #3 in this thread. (Ignore the quote and the stuff below it).
 
oh i see; yeah i finally found the appropriate section - two chapters ahead..! thanks.
 
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