Max Height of Object: Proving Maximum Ordinate with Calculus

In summary, the conversation revolved around the possibility of using calculus to prove the maximum height of a bullet during its flight path. The individual, who is a formal instructor and also a Marine, is hoping to use a derivative function formula to find the max height and time during flight. They also mentioned that the conventional knowledge states that the bullet reaches its maximum height roughly 2/3rds of the way to the target and is about 7 inches above the line of sight. There was also discussion about using a function h(t) = 4t^2+48t+3 to find the maximum height and corresponding time. The possibility of solving a first order vector differential equation was also mentioned as a more complex approach.
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I am a formal instructor and one of the classes I teach revolves
around the ballistics of a bullet. I am currently in a Calculus class
and will be starting as an Economics major In the fall when I finish
my time in the Marines. I am hoping to see if there is any way,
through a formula that I can prove the max height of the round through
actual mathematical proof. Many of the lesson plans and outlines
simply indentify what I have attached below and do not mention proof
of this. I am simply curious if I can prove the max height of the
round and at what time during its flight path does it reach this
height. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Below is a simple
diagram of a rifle trajectory at 300 yards. I attached the image to
give a preliminary view of what I am referencing.



Maximum Ordinate - The highest point in the trajectory of the round
on its route to the target
The event I would like to know if I can prove is how high the maximum
ordinate should be. I am new to calculus and especially the
application of calculus to real world events. Can I use a Derivative
function formula to find the max? What variables do I need to find out at what range a bullet would reach its highest point over the line of sight?

If so, what variables do I need for this, the rounds are all constant, 62 gr bullets and the rifles are all the same.
and with that the velocity of the round at specific ranges is also
fixed (in theory).
Would I use a function like h(t) = 4t^2+48t+3 to find the maximum h
and the corresponding time t. The conventional knowledge says that
roughly 2/3rds of the way to the target the projectile reaches its
maximum height. It is said to be roughly 7 inches above the line of
sight at its highest moment, which is supposedly 2/3rd of the way to 300 yards. This is what I am trying to prove or disprove through some form of math.
All in all, any help or nudges to this type of problem would be
greatly appreciated.
 
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If you have a function like h(t) = 4t^2+48t+3 then you can take the derivitive of this function and find the values of t for which the derivitive is zero.

Along with the two endpoints of your interval, these are the only places where a local maximum (or a local minimum) can occur.

A proof of this is a simple consequence of the usual epsilon-delta definition of a derivitive.

Your second step is then to evaluate h(t) at the endpoints and at each of the points that you have discovered where h'(t) = 0. The global maximum is at whichever t value gives the largest value for h(t).

Your final step is to determine the position downrange that corresponds to the t value that you came up with. Since the round is not traveling at a constant velocity, this may not be a trivial exercise.If you were attacking this problem from first principles, you would not have a nice neat function describing the height of the round as a function of a parameter t. Instead you would probabaly have a formula for air resistance as a function of round velocity and orientation. Because you can relate force to acceleration (by F=ma), this would allow you to construct a "differential equation" relating the second derivitive of position with respect to time (acceleration) to the first derivitive of position with respect to time (velocity).

Solving first order vector differential equations is probably not something you'll see in a first year calculus course.
 
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It is said to be roughly 7 inches above the line of
sight at its highest moment,
You already have one equation and that is of linear translation.
You know the distance, and if you know the time of flight of the bullet, you can readly determine the drop of the bullet due to downwards acceleration due to gravity.
 

1. What is the concept of maximum ordinate?

The maximum ordinate refers to the highest point on a graph or curve. In the context of determining the maximum height of an object, it represents the highest vertical distance the object can reach.

2. How is calculus used to prove the maximum height of an object?

Calculus is a branch of mathematics that deals with the study of change and motion. In the case of determining the maximum height of an object, calculus can be used to find the derivative of the object's height function and set it equal to zero to find the critical points. The critical point with the highest value will be the maximum height of the object.

3. What is the importance of determining the maximum height of an object?

Determining the maximum height of an object is important in various fields such as physics, engineering, and architecture. It allows us to understand the limits and capabilities of objects and helps in designing and optimizing structures and machines.

4. Are there any real-life applications of proving maximum ordinate with calculus?

Yes, there are many real-life applications of using calculus to determine the maximum height of an object. For example, it can be used in projectile motion to calculate the maximum height a projectile can reach, or in bridge construction to determine the maximum height a bridge needs to be built to allow for clearance of ships passing underneath.

5. Can the concept of maximum ordinate be applied to other variables besides height?

Yes, the concept of maximum ordinate can be applied to other variables besides height, such as velocity, acceleration, or temperature. In these cases, calculus can be used to find the maximum rate of change or the maximum value of the variable in question.

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