Max Horiz. Distance from 9 ft Cliff: Solving for Angle

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The problem involves determining the angle that maximizes the horizontal distance of a projectile launched from a height of 9 feet. The context includes the use of projectile motion equations, specifically focusing on the relationship between angle, initial velocity, and distance traveled.

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  • Participants discuss the use of implicit differentiation to find the angle that maximizes horizontal distance. There are questions regarding the justification of certain equations and the approach to differentiate the relationship between angle and distance.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the differentiation process and the relationships involved in the equations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their algebraic manipulations, while others suggest alternative methods for approaching the problem.

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There is mention of an algebraic error affecting the results, and participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the initial velocity and gravitational acceleration.

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Homework Statement


Find the angle that gives maximum horizontal distance for a projectile launched from a 9 ft cliff.

<br /> y = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br />
g = -32 ft/s^2
h = 9 ft
V_0 = 26 ft/s

the variable y denotes the vertical position of the object but since we're only interested in the horizontal distance, that is when the object hits the ground, we can assume y=0.

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The Attempt at a Solution


At y = 0 the object is at the ground.
<br /> 0 = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br />

Implicit differentiation:
Setting
<br /> \frac{dy}{d\theta} = \frac{dx}{d\theta} = 0<br />

Yields
0=\frac{x sec^2(\theta)(x g tan(\theta) + 1 )}{V_0^2}

tan(\theta) = \frac{-1}{gx}

Putting this expression back into
<br /> 0 = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br /> and using 1+tan^2(\theta) = sec^2(\theta)we get x = 18.0 ft. which gives 0.09 degrees

The answer is 35 degrees.

How do you do this problem correctly?
 
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Nusc said:

Homework Statement


Find the angle that gives maximum horizontal distance for a projectile launched from a 9 ft cliff.

<br /> y = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br />
g = -32 ft/s^2
h = 9 ft
V_0 = 26 ft/s

the variable y denotes the vertical position of the object but since we're only interested in the horizontal distance, that is when the object hits the ground, we can assume y=0.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


At y = 0 the object is at the ground.
<br /> 0 = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br />

Implicit differentiation:
Setting
<br /> \frac{dy}{d\theta} = \frac{dx}{d\theta} = 0<br />
I don't see any justification for these two equations. The equation above them gives an implicit relationship between x and theta. To maximize x, differentiate with respect to theta, and solve for dx/d(theta), then set it to zero. I haven't worked this through, but that's what I would do.
Nusc said:
Yields
0=\frac{x sec^2(\theta)(x g tan(\theta) + 1 )}{V_0^2}

tan(\theta) = \frac{-1}{gx}

Putting this expression back into
<br /> 0 = \frac{g}{2V_0^2} sec^2(\theta)x^2 + tan(\theta)x+h<br /> and using 1+tan^2(\theta) = sec^2(\theta)


we get x = 18.0 ft. which gives 0.09 degrees

The answer is 35 degrees.

How do you do this problem correctly?
 
\frac{dx}{d\theta}= 0=\frac{x sec^2(\theta)(x g tan(\theta) + 1 )}{V_0^2} <br />

as I've shown above.
 
I got it. I made an algebraic error.
 

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