Max/min of multivariate function

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum and minimum values of the function f(x,y) = x + y under the constraint xy = 16. Participants explore the implications of using Lagrange multipliers and the nature of extrema in the context of multivariate functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Lagrange multipliers and the resulting critical points. Questions arise regarding the nature of these points as relative versus absolute extrema, particularly in the context of the constraint.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the extrema, noting that while relative extrema exist, absolute extrema do not due to the behavior of the function as variables approach infinity. The discussion is ongoing, with different interpretations of the results being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a consideration of the function's behavior in different quadrants, with implications for the existence of minima and maxima based on the constraints of the problem. The lack of explicit consensus on the interpretation of extrema under the given constraints is noted.

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Homework Statement


max/min of
f(x,y) = x + y
constraint xy = 16

The Attempt at a Solution


With lagrange multipliers I did
## \nabla f = (1,1) ##
## \nabla g = (y,x) ##
## \nabla f = \lambda \nabla g ##
## 1 = \lambda y ##
## 1 = \lambda x ##
Since y=0, x=0 aren't a part of xy = 16 I can isolate for lambda

## y = x ##
## y^2 = 16 ##
## y = \pm 4 ##
## y = 4, x = 4##
## y = -4, x = -4 ##
## f(4,4) = 8 ##
## f(-4,-4) = -8 ##
I got these values, but my answer key says that there are no minimums or maximums, can anyone explain why?
 
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The values you have found are relative min/max points as you move along xy=16. But neither are absolute extrema because x+y gets larger and smaller than both then you let either x or y get large positive or negative.
 
Yea I understand since as x approaches infinity, y approaches 0, or x approach negative infintiy y approaches 0, so f(x,y) never has a max or min.
 
Panphobia said:
Yea I understand since as x approaches infinity, y approaches 0, or x approach negative infintiy y approaches 0, so f(x,y) never has a max or min.

In the positive quadrant ##x, y \geq 0## your constrained ##f## does have a minimum, but no maximum. In the third quadrant ##x \leq 0, y \leq 0## the constrained function has a maximum, but no minimum. If we throw out the information about quadrants then, of course, it is true that the constrained ##f## had neither a maximum nor a minimum.
 

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