Max Power Transfer Homework: Find Ro for Max Power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem concerning the maximum power transfer theorem, specifically focusing on finding the optimal value of the load resistor (Ro) for maximum power transfer in a circuit. Participants explore various methods for analyzing the circuit, including Thevenin and Norton equivalents, and address issues related to mesh and node analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the maximum power transfer occurs when the load resistor (Ro) equals the Thevenin resistance (Rth), which they calculated to be 2.5k ohms.
  • Another participant points out an error in the first mesh equation regarding the sign of the voltage source, suggesting that the 60 V should be negative when summing potential drops.
  • There is a discussion about the treatment of the 5k resistor in the circuit, with one participant questioning whether it should be bypassed when creating a current Thevenin equivalent.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of short-circuiting and open-circuiting conditions on the circuit analysis, particularly regarding the current through the 5k resistor.
  • One participant suggests an alternative approach using a Norton circuit with a source transformation, indicating it might simplify the analysis.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the units of a resistor marked 1.8, questioning whether it is in ohms or kilohms.
  • There is a suggestion to compute the current in Ro and maximize the product of current and Ro with respect to Ro to find the optimal value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of circuit analysis techniques and the treatment of certain components, indicating that multiple competing approaches and interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the correct voltage and current values, and there are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding circuit components and analysis methods.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys,
I have been struggling on this problem for a while now and was hoping I could get a little help

What is wanted is the maximum value of Ro for maximum power.
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The Attempt at a Solution


Knowing that the Maximum power transfer to Ro would be when Rth=Ro, I am just looking for a Thevenin equivalent.

I have gone through and did the Rth to be equal to 2.5k omhs.
I did Mesh Analysis and got the following 2 equations and 1 controlling equation:
2400(i1)+60+4800(i1-i2)=0
4800(i2-i1)+1800(i3)+1600(i3)=0
(i3)+(i2)=.015Amps
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Which I reduce to:
7200(i1)-4800(i2)=-60
-4800(i1)+4800(i2)+3400(i3)=0
(i3)=.015-(i2)

Knowing that I want to get the (i3) which would tell me the current going through the Thevenin equivalent. I have also used Current Node Analysis and would want to find the Voltage drop through the 5k resistor. The answers supplied should be 4V and .0016Amps.

Any help would be great, Thanks.
 

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Hi Matthew R, Welcome to Physics Forums.

In your first mesh equation you have given the 60 V source the same sign as the potential drops. This is not correct; if you are summing potential drops around a clockwise traversal of the loop; the 60 V should be negative.

In your second mesh equation (a supermesh incorporating loops two and three due to the current source between them), you haven't taken into account the 5k resistor in the third loop.
 
Ah I see that with the voltage source.

When creating the current with a current Thevenin equivent, would it be a short across the Ro thus bypassing the 5k resistor?

Even doing so still doesn't put the voltage at the 5k resistor at 4V
 
Matthew R said:
Ah I see that with the voltage source.

When creating the current with a current Thevenin equivent, would it be a short across the Ro thus bypassing the 5k resistor?
The "short-circuited output" condition will mean no current goes through the 5k.

The "open-circuited output" condition is where you determine the Thévenin voltage.

Even doing so still doesn't put the voltage at the 5k resistor at 4V
 
I get the open-circuit output gives me the Thevenin voltage which would be the voltage drop across the 5k resistor and that the short circuit has no current going through the 5k resistor. I am however not getting the correct voltage or current
 
Post your working so we can see whether there's a mistake.

Should we understand the resistor marked 1.8 to be Ω or kΩ?
 
You could alternatively just compute the current io in Ro, the maximize i2oRo wrt to Ro to find Ro.
 
I would almost suggest doing a Norton circuit instead, with a source transform at the 60V source, it could be really easy. Just a thought though.
 

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