Max Transmission Rate for Multi-Path Propagation with 4 Paths and Varying Delays

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum allowed transmission rate for a signal experiencing multi-path propagation with four paths, each having different delays. Participants explore the implications of these delays on the ability to detect symbols without overlap, focusing on the conditions necessary for successful detection.

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  • Homework-related, Exploratory, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the total delay from the first to the last path is 10 micro-seconds, questioning the implications of the requirement that symbols must be at least 1 micro-second apart for successful detection.
  • Another participant explains that the receiver can detect the correct TRUE or FALSE condition for each symbol as long as the symbols do not fully overlap, emphasizing the importance of a 1 micro-second difference for detection.
  • A later reply speculates that the minimum time needed for the transmission of a single bit could be calculated as double the maximum delay between the direct signal and its echo, plus the minimum detection window, though this is presented as a guess and not a definitive conclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculation of the maximum allowed transmission rate, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps necessary to determine the maximum transmission rate, and assumptions regarding the relationship between delays and detection windows remain unclarified.

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1. Homework Statement


Consider the multi-path propagation phenomenon discussed in class. Assume the signal from a sender takes 4 paths to arrive at the receiver, and the delay along each path is 2, 6, 8, 12 (in micro-seconds), respectively. Each symbol is 1 bit long. Two symbols can be successfully received/detected at the receiver if their received impulses are at least 1 micro-second apart. What is the maximum allowed transmission rate from the sender to the receiver?

2. Homework Equations

delay along each path is 2, 6, 8, 12 (in micro-seconds)


3. The Attempt at a Solution

First path to last path
total delay is 10 micro-seconds. I don't know this sentence Two symbols can be successfully received/detected at the receiver if their received impulses are at least 1 micro-second apart.
 
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If the direct signal gets interfered with by a reflected signal, the receiver still must be able to detect the correct TRUE or FALSE condition for each symbol. It can manage this provided the symbols don't fully overlap. A difference of at least 1 microsecond allows the symbol to be correctly detected.
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NascentOxygen said:
If the direct signal gets interfered with by a reflected signal, the receiver still must be able to detect the correct TRUE or FALSE condition for each symbol. It can manage this provided the symbols don't fully overlap. A difference of at least 1 microsecond allows the symbol to be correctly detected.
Code:
      _______       
_____|       |______
       _______                 
______|       |______

Thank you for your reply.
But I still not understand how can i achieve the maximum allowed transmission rate from the sender to the receiver?
 
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You have an advantage over us, since you were present when this was discussed in class.

But I'm guessing that the minimum time needed for the transmission of a single bit is double the maximum delay between the direct signal and its echo, plus the minimum detection window. See how I arrived at this:
Code:
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT______________________   : direct signal

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT[/color]TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT   : delayed by 10 microsecs

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT   : sum of above
The string of consecutive black letters represent the pulses that make up just one bit. The white represent the delay. (Max delay is 10 microsecs.) The red represents the pulses that make up the minimum detection window. The bottom line represents what the receiver sees: the sum of the direct signal plus its worst echo.

The above is speculative. I may be totally wrong. :smile:
 

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