Maximum Angle of Deflection for Colliding Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the maximum angle of deflection for colliding particles, particularly focusing on the physical conditions that define this maximum angle in the context of collisions between a heavier mass and a lighter mass. Participants explore theoretical derivations and seek a clearer physical explanation of the phenomena involved, including energy transfer and the transition from grazing to non-grazing collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a theoretical maximum angle of deflection expressed as ##(\sin\theta_{d_{max}}=m/M)##, questioning the physical explanation behind this limit.
  • Another participant provides a diagrammatic explanation, suggesting that the momentum of the incoming body is limited in the center of mass system, which affects the scattering angle in the lab frame.
  • A participant expresses understanding of the limitations on the angle of deflection but seeks clarity on the specific physical conditions that are met at the maximum angle.
  • There is a query about whether a rule analogous to gravitational potential energy at maximum height exists for the maximum angle of deflection.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about possibly missing an obvious aspect of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a limit to the angle of deflection, but the exact physical conditions at which this maximum angle is reached remain unresolved, with multiple perspectives and questions raised.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about momentum and energy transfer that are not fully explored, and the relationship between mass ratios and deflection angles is presented without complete resolution of the underlying physical principles.

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Trying to understand physics of maximum deflection
When a heavier mass (or nucleus say) collides with a lighter one, it deflects through a certain angle which has a theoretical maximum. There are numerous derivations for this maximum angle of deflection ##(\sin\theta_{d_{max}}=m/M)## where m is the small mass and M the larger but none seem to provide a clear physical explanation of what is going on. I tried to understand it in terms of energy transfer but got nowhere with that. So my question is what is physically going on when we reach maximum angle of deflection ? Is there something that physically defines when we move from a 'grazing' collision to a 'non grazing' collision ? Here for example is a plot of ##\tan\theta_d## vs ##\theta_i## where the latter angle of incidence is measured from the plane of contact. The mass ratio m/M in this case is 0.6 and so ##\theta_{d_{max}}=36.87^{\circ}## when ##\theta_i=63.42^{\circ}.##

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Below is a diagram that shows why the angle that the incoming body is scattered is always limited when its mass is greater than the target body's mass. The momenta of the two bodies are equal and opposite in the center of mass system but the velocities are not. The incoming mass dominates the velocity of the center of mass. Since the momentum of the incoming body in the center of mass system cannot be greater than 90° going to the lab system the center of mass velocity further increases its velocity reducing the scattering angle.

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Thanks. I more or less understand why the angle of deflection is limited but I am trying to understand the exact physical conditions which are met when we reach the maximum angle.
 
neilparker62 said:
Thanks. I more or less understand why the angle of deflection is limited but I am trying to understand the exact physical conditions which are met when we reach the maximum angle.
Are you looking for some kind of rule like "when a projectile reaches maximum height its gravitational potential energy is maximum"?
 
Yes. Perhaps I'm missing something really obvious ?!
 

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