Maximum power from a battery with source resistance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum power that can be extracted from a 5V battery with a source resistance of 10 Ohms and a rating of 1800mAh. Participants explore the implications of source resistance on power extraction, the relevance of the battery's mAh rating, and the application of the maximum power transfer theorem.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the formula P=VIT for power calculation, but express confusion regarding the impact of source resistance.
  • There is uncertainty about the significance of the 1800mAh rating, with some suggesting it may not be relevant to the maximum power calculation.
  • Participants discuss the maximum power transfer theorem, noting that it applies when the source resistance equals the load resistance.
  • One participant suggests that the maximum power transfer theorem pertains to the load's power consumption from the battery, rather than the entire circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about potentially ignoring the mAh rating in the calculations, with some questioning its purpose in the context of the problem.
  • One participant calculates a power output of 625mW, which aligns with one of the multiple-choice answers provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the 1800mAh rating and whether it should factor into the power calculation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the problem or the significance of the mAh rating in relation to maximum power extraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question involves maximizing output power rather than calculating energy delivered over time, leading to confusion about the role of the mAh rating in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 5V battery rated at 1800mAh has a soucre resistance of 10 Ohms. What is the maximum power that can be extracted from the battery?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that had the battery not had any source resistance then the power out would have been equal to Energy x Time giving us P=VIT, but i do no understand what to do when there is a source resistance. Do I calculate another current that is passing through the battery? using V=IR to get a current of 0.5A? If so then what does the 1800mAh mean? I have then tried putting this current into P=I^2R but this means I am totally ignoring one of the values in the question which means I can't be right

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Apologies I didnt realize this was a multiple choice question, the possible answers are
a) 625mW
b) 1.25mW
c) 2.5 mJ
d) 11.664 MJ
 
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JordanHood said:

Homework Statement


A 5V battery rated at 1800mAh has a soucre resistance of 10 Ohms. What is the maximum power that can be extracted from the battery?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that had the battery not had any source resistance then the power out would have been equal to Energy x Time giving us P=VIT, but i do no understand what to do when there is a source resistance. Do I calculate another current that is passing through the battery? using V=IR to get a current of 0.5A? If so then what does the 1800mAh mean? I have then tried putting this current into P=I^2R but this means I am totally ignoring one of the values in the question which means I can't be right
I don't see the significance of 1800mAh in this problem. Do you know the maximum power transfer theorem in electrical circuits?
 
cnh1995 said:
I don't see the significance of 1800mAh in this problem. Do you know the maximum power transfer theorem in electrical circuits?
Is this when the source resistance and load resistance are equal?
 
JordanHood said:
Is this when the source resistance and load resistance are equal?
Yes. But I just realized that the theorem will give the value of load resistance for maximum power dissipation in the load, while the question asks about the maximum power in the entire circuit.
 
I believe 1800mAh means the battery can supply 1800mA current for 1hr.
Edit: I think the proper meaning of this is that the battery can supply 1mA current for 1800 hrs.
 
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cnh1995 said:
I believe 1800mAh means the battery can supply 1800mA current for 1hr.
So do I need to calculate the current per second?
 
JordanHood said:
So do I need to calculate the current per second?
No. Seeing the options, I think this problem does belong to the maximum power transfer theorem. After all, it's the load that extracts power from the battery. So when we say 'power extracted from the battery', it means the power consumed by the load from the battery.
 
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cnh1995 said:
No. Seeing the options, I think this problem does belong to the maximum power transfer theorem. After all, it's the load that extracts power from the battery. So when we say 'power extracted from the battery', it means the power consumed by the load from the battery.
Ok so I set the internal resistance of the battery to 10 Ohms and work from there?
 
JordanHood said:
Ok so I set the internal resistance of the battery to 10 Ohms and work from there?
I think so.
 
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cnh1995 said:
I think so.
That gives me 625mW, which is one of the answers, so assuming that is right. Bit concerned about not using the 1800mAh at all though, possibly there to confuse you?
 
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JordanHood said:
power out would have been equal to Energy x Time giving us P=VIT, but i do no understand
No. Energy delivered = power x time

But you are not asked about energy, the question involves maximizing output power.
 
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JordanHood said:
Bit concerned about not using the 1800mAh at all though, possibly there to confuse you?
I think so. I haven't seen mAh rating being used for calculating maximum power so far.
 
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