Maximum Power transfer theorem ( Power dissipation in resistors in circuits)

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The discussion revolves around the Maximum Power Transfer Theorem, specifically addressing power dissipation in resistors within electrical circuits. Participants explore the conditions under which maximum power is transferred and the implications of resistance values on power dissipation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for power dissipation and questions whether maximum power occurs at infinite resistance, suggesting that power could be greater as resistance approaches infinity.
  • Another participant counters that power dissipation is zero at both zero and infinite resistance, implying that maximum power transfer occurs when resistance is neither zero nor infinite, specifically when R equals r.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of voltage across a resistor when no current flows, questioning the relationship between voltage, current, and power dissipation.
  • Another participant explains that while the resistance of a voltmeter is very high, it is still an approximation that allows for practical measurements, noting that the current is not truly zero.
  • A further contribution illustrates the concept of infinite resistance using the example of a battery with no load, emphasizing that while no current flows, a voltage can still exist across the terminals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for maximum power transfer and the implications of resistance values on power dissipation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of voltage and current relationships in certain scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the behavior of voltage and current in idealized scenarios, such as infinite resistance and the role of voltmeters, which may depend on practical approximations rather than strict theoretical definitions.

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the equation P = (E2R) / [(R-r)2 + 4Rr]

We say that when R=r , P = E2/4R which is said to be maximum..

But if I say R→∞ , then r→0 and then P = E2/R which is greater..
So, shouldn't power be maximum for max R ?
 
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E^2/R would be zero when R = Infinity.
In electrical circuits a good way to get a feel for maximum power transfer is to think about what happens
1) When R = 0, there will be a current flowing through R but the voltage across R will be 0
therefore no power is dissipated in R
2) When R = infinity there will be a voltage across R but there will be no current therefore no power is dissipated in R
If there is no power when R =0 and no power when R = infinity the maximum power must be when R is between 0 and infinity.
Max power transfer occurs when R =r
 
@technician ...
thank you for your time..
reading your reply, a question came in my mind... resistances absorb energy... If no current flows through a resistor, that means no energy absorbed and as you said, no power dissipated... I have learned that electrons lose their potential energy as they pass through a resistor and that PE drop across a resistor is called Voltage... If no current flows through a resistor, then why do we say that there is still a voltage across it?? In simple terms, V=IR , if I=0 then V=0 right??

This thought brings me to another confusion... when we talk about voltmeters and internal resistances, we have a formula: E = V + Ir
we say that in the case when only a voltmeter is connected across a battery, the voltmeter reading = EMF because voltmeter has infinite resistance and I=0 , putting this value in the formula gives E=V ... why don't we consider zero current passing through the voltmeter?? If we do consider it, then V=0?? I am soo confused...
It makes me believe that we mould our values and formulas to fit the result we get through experimentation even if it doesn't make sense...
 
As resistance of the voltmeter is very high E=V will be a good approximation, usually as good as you need.

Get used to in Science things that are not really zero but it is useful and simplifying to consider them so.

The current is not really zero and paradoxically the voltmeter depends on it not being zero - the voltmeter is really an ammeter responding to a small current and calibrated to read volts via the theory you have been through.
 
If the resistance is INFINITE then no current flows through it but there can still be a voltage applied to it.
The best everyday example of this is to look at a battery sitting on the table with NOTHING connected to the terminals. There is only air between the terminals and I hope that you are happy to say that this is infinite resistance (it is as near as you can get in every day experience!). There is no current flowing from the battery through the air so no power is being dissipated and the battery does not run down.
I hope this helps, I do appreciate your confusion in this, it is tricky getting to grips with some of these ideas...
 

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