Maximum speed of car round banked bend

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a car navigating a banked curve with a specific radius and angle, where the goal is to determine the maximum speed without sliding. The context includes concepts from dynamics and friction, particularly in circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the components of forces acting on the car, including normal and frictional forces. There are attempts to derive expressions for maximum speed using different approaches, including free body diagrams and simplifications of the equations of motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative formulations and expressions for the maximum speed, while others express uncertainty about their initial calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the correct answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention previous experiences with similar problems and the importance of correctly identifying force components. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by the problem and the need for clarification on the setup.

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Homework Statement


Car mass m drives round a bend in a circular arc radius 44m with the road banked at an angle [tex]\alpha[/tex] where tan[tex]\alpha[/tex]=3/4. The coefficient of friction [tex]\mu[/tex]=0.6 of the car with the road. What is the maximum velocity the car can travel at without sliding up the banked road?

Homework Equations


F=ma F=mv^2/r Friction(max)=[tex]\mu[/tex]r
3^2 + 4^2= 5^2

The Attempt at a Solution


The normal reaction force R perpendicular to the bank will be mgcos[tex]\alpha[/tex]
R=0.8mg

Component of R towards the center of horizontal circle = R/sin[tex]\alpha[/tex] = mg4/3

mv^2/r= 0.6x0.8mgxcos[tex]\alpha[/tex] + mg4/3
v^2/44=0.384g +g4/3
V=27.2m/s

I've always struggled with this type of question due to taking the wrong components for reaction forces etc so would greatly appreciate any help to see if this is right.

cheers
 
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Take the components of the forces along and normal to the slope. It'll seem easier. Draw the freebody diagram. At the maximum speed, the static frcition force along the slope is max.

(Don't plug in numbers to make it messy -- use symbols.)
 
Yeah i know...this was actually in a test i did this morning so i did draw out everything. Basically this was the answer i did in the test and I still stand by after working through it again but was just wanting to see if it was actually right
 
After simplification,

v^2/r
= g[sin(theta) + kcos(theta)]/[cos(theta) - ksin(theta)]
= g[tan(theta) + k]/[1 - ktan(theta)],

which gives me v = 32.5 m/s.

(Sorry...)
 
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ah thanks a lot! shame i didnt get it right tho lol
 

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