Maxwell's Equations - Tensor form 2

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The discussion revolves around the application of Maxwell's equations in tensor form, specifically using the Lorenz gauge. The original poster presents equations involving potentials and queries the transition from these equations to their tensor representation, highlighting confusion regarding missing terms in the tensor form.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the Lorenz gauge on Maxwell's equations and the transition to tensor notation. Questions arise about the treatment of indices and the validity of equating scalar and vector components. Some participants seek clarification on tensor algebra and the expansion of equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the treatment of equations and indices. Some guidance has been offered on the proper handling of tensor components, but there remains a lack of consensus on certain interpretations and steps in the derivation process.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with tensor algebra, which affects their understanding of the equations. There are indications of confusion regarding the treatment of free indices and the implications of equating different types of mathematical objects.

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Homework Statement


The Lorenz gauge ∂Φ/∂t + ∇. A = 0 enables the Maxwell equations (in terms of potentials) to be written as two uncoupled equations;
2Φ/∂t2 - ∇2Φ = ρ 1 and

2A/∂t2 - ∇2A = j 2

The tensor version using the Lorenz gauge
is, i am told,
μ∂μ Aα = jα 3

expanded this is: ∂2Φ/∂t2 - ∇2A = jα 4

where Jα is the 4-current; ρ + J

Homework Equations


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If one adds 1 and 2 one gets two terms not included in 4. Namely;

2A/∂t2 - ∇2Φ My query is, what happened to these terms when we go to 3 (or 4). Have I misunderstood the transition from 1 and 2 to the tensor forms?

The Attempt at a Solution


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If one tries to cancel these terms, or equate their sum to zero, one sees that the first is a vector and the second a scalar. Secondly; ∂2A/∂t2 = ∂E/∂t which > 0 for a time varying field. And ∇2Φ = ∇. E = div E which also is not zero unless no charges are present, which they can be in 3.

Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.
 
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IAN 25 said:
expanded this is: ∂2Φ/∂t2 - ∇2A = jα 4
No, this is not correct. Expanded you get four different equations, one for each value of alpha.
 
Please could you tell me where can I find out how to do this? I understood from my texts that ∂μμ acting on a tensor was equivalent to ∂2 /∂t2 - ∇2 the d'Alambert operator. How do I get the other values of alpha?
 
IAN 25 said:
I understood from my texts that ∂μ∂μ acting on a tensor was equivalent to ∂2 /∂t2 - ∇2 the d'Alambert operator.
Yes, this is not what was incorrect. What was incorrect is that you let the different terms act on different components of the 4-potential.
 
Thanks but I'm still not sure what's wrong. I proved the EM tensor by writing all the terms out long hand i.e I did ∂αAβ - ∂βAα . By constructing two matrices and subtracting to get a resultant matrix from which I identified the elements of Fαβ the EM tensor. Should i take ∂μAα which I think results in a 16 element square matrix and then let ∂μ act on that to get the correct elements for jα ? I am not conversant with tensor algebra yet you see.
 
Can anyone actually show me what I am doing wrong here!
 
So you wrote
IAN 25 said:
expanded this is: ∂2Φ/∂t2 - ∇2A = jα 4

Can you go step by step to show how you obtained this from
IAN 25 said:
∂μ∂μ Aα = jα 3

In particular, there is a free index in this equation. Which value did you put it to?
 
Hi Orodruin, actually this morning I did what I said above; first I expanded ∂μAν i.e. (∂t, ∂x,∂y,∂z )(Φ, Ax, Ay, Az) and got the 16 element tensor. Then I let ∂μ act on that tensor and got the 16 element tensor in 2nd derivatives; with all the time derivatives in the 1st column. The top line is ∂2tΦ - ∂2xΦ etc, i.e. ≡ ∂2Φ/∂t2 - ∇2Φ and in the remaining array if one assumes the terms in ∂2iAj = zero (i ≠ j) for the mixed spatial derivatives; then one obtains the 3 spatial vector components as you said I should. That is ∂2tAx - ∂2x, and the same for y and z.

Adding gives me the equation: ∂2A/∂t2 - ∇2A

If this is right
(and please say it is!) then i get back to the two equations 1 and 2 I started with and all is accounted for. NB I should have used superscripts for the spatial comps of A perhaps.
 
The last sentence in paragraph one above should read, ∂2tAx - ∂2Ax, and same for y and z components of A (spacial vector).
 
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Sorry, line 2, I meant 4 element column tensor/matrix (in 61 terms - 4 on each row) in 2nd derivatives. Anyway I am satisfied that my workings are correct.
 
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the equation: (Something~ done) X^a = Y^a is not 1 equation... it's as many equations as are the values of a (a is not a summed/null index)... say that a=0,1,2,3...then it's 4 equations, which once you expand read:
(Something~ done) X^0 = Y^0
(Something~ done) X^1 = Y^1
(Something~ done) X^2 = Y^2
(Something~ done) X^3 = Y^3
As for example the \nabla^2 \vec{X} = \vec{Y} is 3 equations and not 1.

your 3->4 transition is incorrect...in fact you destroyed a free index which is an unhealthy thing to do everywhere but especially in relativity. And you can also notice that from the fact that your equation 4 adds a scalar ∂2Φ/∂t2 with a vector ∇2A:nb). What would you say as a result to the 2t^2 + \begin{pmatrix}2t \\ \sin t \\ u(t) \end{pmatrix}? and of course equates it to the components of a 4 vector (which comes from destroying the free index)
 
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I have now understood where I went wrong (actually I said that I know you can't equate a scalar to a vector). Multiplying out the tensors long hand I found my error. I don't really get what these free indices are yet.
 

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