Rewriting Maxwell's Equations in Tensor Form

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The discussion revolves around rewriting Maxwell's equations in tensor form, specifically focusing on the equivalence of the expression F_{[\alpha\beta,\gamma]} = 0 to half of Maxwell's equations as presented in Sean Carroll's notes on general relativity. Participants are exploring the transition from traditional vector notation to tensor notation in the context of electromagnetic theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of Maxwell's equations into tensor form, with one original poster expressing uncertainty about a specific step in their derivation. Others raise questions about the interpretation of equations and the implications of tensor notation, particularly regarding the contraction of indices and the nature of the equations derived.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the steps involved in the transformation process. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made in the derivation and exploring the implications of the tensor notation used. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor notation and the relationships between different forms of the equations. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the Levi-Civita symbol and the nature of independent components in different forms, which may influence the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement



From Sean Carroll's notes on general relativity (chapter 1, pg. 20):

Show that F_{[\alpha\beta,\gamma]} = 0 is equivalent to half of the Maxwell equations.

Homework Equations



F_{\mu\nu} is the electromagnetic tensor

\Phi_{,\nu} \equiv \partial_{\nu}\Phi

F_{i0}= E_{i}

F_{ij}= \epsilon^{ijk}B_{k}

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm specifically looking to turn Maxwell's (homogeneous) equations into tensor form, not just show that they fall out of F_{[\alpha\beta,\gamma]} = 0. I sort of have a solution, but I feel like I'm missing a step.

<br /> \begin{eqnarray*}<br /> \nabla×\textbf{E} + \partial_{t}\textbf{B} = 0 \\<br /> \nabla\cdot \textbf{B} = 0<br /> \\<br /> \\<br /> \epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}E_{k} + \partial_{0}B^{i} = 0 \\<br /> \partial_{i}B^{i} = 0<br /> \\<br /> \\<br /> \epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{j}F_{k0} + \frac{1}{2}\epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{0}F_{jk} = 0 \\<br /> \frac{1}{2}\epsilon^{ijk}\partial_{i}F_{jk} = 0<br /> \end{eqnarray*}<br />

which can be rewritten as:

\epsilon^{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}\partial_{\rho}F_{\mu \nu} = 0

which, up to a normalization constant, is just:

F_{[\alpha\beta,\gamma]} = 0

My question is about going from step 3 to step 4. I sort of pulled it out of my hat and checked that it was correct (term by term). I'm looking for some kind of justification for this step, or a nudge in the right direction if I'm approaching this all wrong.

Also, I'm still getting the hang of tensor notation, and I feel like equation 4 doesn't make sense. Only 3 indices are contracted, leaving the right side a vector, not a scalar. On the other hand, trying to use the Levi-Civita tensor with 3 indices here seems wrong too, as the indices run from 0 to 4 leaving you with stuff like \epsilon^{013}.
 
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The first equation in your step 3 is actually three equations, one for each value of i. And the second equation is just one. That's why the final result is a set of four equations.

I think the final step will be easier to understand if you make sure that you understand every step of the following rewrites: (Here A is anything with three indices from 0 to 3).

\begin{align}
&\varepsilon^{ijk} A_{ijk} =\varepsilon^{ijk0} A_{ijk} =\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho 0} A_{\mu\nu\rho}\\
&\varepsilon^{ijk} A_{0jk} =\varepsilon^{0jki} A_{0jk} =\varepsilon^{0\nu\rho i} A_{0\nu\rho} =\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho i} A_{\mu\nu\rho}
\end{align}
 
Fredrik said:
The first equation in your step 3 is actually three equations, one for each value of i. And the second equation is just one. That's why the final result is a set of four equations.

I think the final step will be easier to understand if you make sure that you understand every step of the following rewrites: (Here A is anything with three indices from 0 to 3).

\begin{align}
&\varepsilon^{ijk} A_{ijk} =\varepsilon^{ijk0} A_{ijk} =\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho 0} A_{\mu\nu\rho}\\
&\varepsilon^{ijk} A_{0jk} =\varepsilon^{0jki} A_{0jk} =\varepsilon^{0\nu\rho i} A_{0\nu\rho} =\varepsilon^{\mu\nu\rho i} A_{\mu\nu\rho}
\end{align}
need help here

how did you obtain these rules>
thank you
 
How many independent components does a 1-form have in 4 dimensions? And a 3-form? This is a first step to check whether your result makes sense (hint: it does :P )

Hit your equation then with an (4-comp.) epsilon symbol with the free index contracted. Find/derive the identities of contracted epsilon symbols in terms of kronecker deltas and apply those.

Hope this helps ;)
 
haushofer said:
How many independent components does a 1-form have in 4 dimensions? And a 3-form? This is a first step to check whether your result makes sense (hint: it does :P )

Hit your equation then with an (4-comp.) epsilon symbol with the free index contracted. Find/derive the identities of contracted epsilon symbols in terms of kronecker deltas and apply those.

Hope this helps ;)
thank for your help
i have trouble in "εijk A0jk=ε0jki A0jk "
i get stuck in this equation
i don't know how can they put a zero into the εijk
such that εijk ---> ε0jki
i think A0 is "fixed variable" and you cannot do anything for it
right? if you put a zero there,then A0 will become dummy variable (so we can contract an upper and lower index together)
 

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