Measure zero and differentiability

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of measure zero subsets in the context of differentiability of a specific function defined on these subsets. The original poster presents a problem involving a function related to a measure zero set and seeks to demonstrate that this function is not differentiable at any point within the set.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the right derivative of the function at points in the measure zero set and questions the implications of the properties of the intervals J_k. Participants raise questions about the relationship between the point x and the intervals J_k, particularly regarding the existence of h such that x + h is contained in J_k.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the properties of the intervals J_k and their relation to the differentiability of the function f_E. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the intervals, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps or the overall approach.

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The original poster references a previous exercise that establishes the characterization of measure zero, which may be relevant to the current problem but is not fully detailed in the discussion. The nature of the function f_E and its dependence on the measure zero set E is also a focal point of inquiry.

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[SOLVED] measure zero and differentiability

Homework Statement


I proved in the preceding exercise the following characterization of measure zero:

"A subset E of R is of measure zero if and only if it has the following property:

(***) There exists a sequence [tex]J_k=]a_k,b_k[[/tex] such that every x in E belongs to an infinity of J_k and

[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}(b_k-a_k)<+\infty[/tex]"

Now the question is the following:

Let E be of null measure and {J_k} be as above. Let also [tex]f_E:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}[/tex] be the increasing function defined by

[tex]f_E(x) = \sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}\lambda(]-\infty,x]\cap J_k)[/tex]

Show f is not differentiable at any point of E.

Homework Equations



Differentiable iff the limit of the differential quotient exists and is bounded iff the left and right derivative are equal

The Attempt at a Solution



Let h>0 and x0 be in E. I can write the right derivative and use the additivity of measure to simplify to

[tex]D_rf_E(x_0)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}\lambda([x,x+h]\cap J_k)}{h}[/tex]

then what? What difference does it make than x is in E? I mean, how does the fact that is belongs to an infinity of J_k comes in?
 
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Is "x + h" in J_k for some h > 0?
 
Well, each J_k is open and contains x, so for every k, there is an h, call it h_k such that x + h is in J_k, yes.
 
Help!
 

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