Measuring Light Speed - Is Light Massless?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of light, specifically addressing whether light has mass and how its speed is measured in a vacuum compared to other mediums. Participants explore concepts related to the properties of light, its interaction with matter, and historical measurements of its speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that light is massless but possesses momentum.
  • One participant references James Maxwell's work in 1856, which led to the determination of the speed of light as a constant derived from equations of magnetism and electricity.
  • Another participant corrects the speed of light value, stating it is precisely 299,792.458 km/s.
  • A participant explains that light does not have mass but can be influenced by gravitational fields, affecting its propagation speed in different mediums.
  • It is proposed that the speed of light in a vacuum is a fundamental property of the universe, while its speed in other materials is affected by interactions with those materials, such as polarization and magnetization.
  • A quantum perspective is introduced, suggesting that photons can be absorbed and reradiated by atomic electrons, which introduces delays that affect the speed of light in matter.
  • The Fizeau Wheel experiment is mentioned as a historical method for directly measuring the speed of light, with agreement between different measurement methods reinforcing the understanding of light as an electromagnetic wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that light is massless, but there are varying explanations regarding its behavior in different mediums and the implications of its speed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these interactions and the implications of light's properties.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the nature of light, the definitions of mass and speed in different contexts, and the complexities of quantum effects that are not fully explored.

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Hi

I was reading about the measurement of light years and was suprised to see it is the speed at which light goes through a vaacum. Is that because of the vaacum of space or does light have mass?

thanks

lneilson
 
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lneilson said:
Hi

I was reading about the measurement of light years and was suprised to see it is the speed at which light goes through a vaacum. Is that because of the vaacum of space or does light have mass?

thanks

lneilson

Light is massless, yet has momentum.
The velocity of light was actually determined on the chalkboard. What do I mean by that? Well, lightspeed was determined by James Maxwell in 1856 after he divided his equation for magnetism by his equation for electricity. After Maxwell divided these two equations, he obtained a constant: 300,000/sec, which is precisely the velocity of light in vacuo.

Experiments to verify this constant have been performed to a very high degree of accuracy.
 
Neo_Anderson said:
300,000/sec, which is precisely the velocity of light in vacuo
Well, actually 299,792.458 km/s is precisely the value.:smile:
 
lneilson said:
Hi

I was reading about the measurement of light years and was suprised to see it is the speed at which light goes through a vaacum. Is that because of the vaacum of space or does light have mass?

thanks

lneilson

As Neo mentioned, light does not have mass (but it can be bent by a gravitational field!). The reason we talk about a vacuum speed of light and a speed of light in a medium is because light interacts with the medium that it passes through, and this retards its speed. Light rays are actually oscillating electric and magnetic fields. When an electric field passes through matter, it can polarize the material, which will have an effect on the field. Likewise, magnetic fields can magnetize materials, which will also have an effect on the magnetic field. Polarization and magnetization affect light rays, and change its wave speed.

Another way to explain this effect is to think about light as a particle. When photons (i.e. the fundamental quanta of light) pass through matter, they can be absorbed by atomic electrons and then reradiated. This is a quantum effect caused by the fact that atomic electrons have discretized energy levels. The process of absorption and reradiation introduces a delay, which retards the speed of light in matter.

The speed of light in matter is a property of the material through which the light is passing. The vacuum speed of light, however, is a fundamental property of the universe. In the nineteenth century, physicists did experiments on electric and magnetic fields. They discovered how electric charges interact, as well as how magnetic dipoles interact. Because light is an electromagnetic wave, the information about electric charges and magnetic dipoles can be used to deduce the speed of light, without ever calculating the speed of a light ray. The speed of light was also directly measured by using an apparatus called a Fizeau Wheel (you can Google to get the details of this experiment). Remarkably, the two methods of calculating the speed of light agree, which demonstrates that light is indeed an electromagnetic wave.
 
Thanks for the replys

they really gave me something to think about

lneilson
 

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