Measuring the output from a Transistor Amplifier

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of capacitors in transistor amplifier circuits, particularly focusing on their role in AC and DC current flow. Participants explore how capacitors interact with signals in these circuits, questioning how voltage appears across capacitors and their function in filtering.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss whether capacitors can be considered as conducting wires for AC components, with some emphasizing the low impedance of capacitors at high frequencies. Others raise questions about the assumptions regarding resistive loads and the implications for current flow through capacitors.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to capacitors in amplifier circuits. Some participants have provided insights into the behavior of capacitors in relation to AC and DC signals, while others are questioning the generalizations made about their function. The discussion appears to be productive, with various interpretations being examined.

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Participants note the importance of considering load resistances and the implications of different frequencies on capacitor behavior. There are mentions of specific conditions under which capacitors operate, such as the need for high resistive loads to allow proper charging and discharging in the circuit.

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I understand that the DC current will not flow through the capacitor once the capacitor gets fully charged.
So, after a long time , only AC component of the net current flow through the capacitor.
How to show that all of the carying voltage appear across the capacitor?
Does capacitor work as conducting wire for an AC component of the net current?

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Pushoam said:
Does capacitor work as conducting wire for an AC component of the net current?
Not for the net current, but for the output current, which is very small. It provides very low impedance to high frequency ac. Hence, almost all the ac voltage developed between collector and emitter will appear between terminals 1 and 2. Its job is to remove the dc bias in the output.
 
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Pushoam said:
Does capacitor work as conducting wire for an AC component of the net current?

Short answer is Yes.

Add a load resistor between terminals 1 and 2 and the output stage looks like a high pass filter...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-pass_filter
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A high pass filter blocks DC and lower frequencies but passes higher frequencies. If you want to pass low frequencies (eg for audio applications) then C and R must be quite large.
 
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You should assume a resistive load RL for the output, otherwise no current ever flows through C so C is never allowed to charge to the dc collector voltage and the dc output voltage = dc collector voltage - Vi where Vi is the (constant) capacitor voltage. Assume RL >> RC. (Any good voltmeter will meet this requirement.)
 
Thank you all for helping me.
Now what I understood is :
The impedance provided by a capacitor for AC is ## \frac 1 {\omega C} ##and for DC is infinite.
So, when we put a capacitor in a circuit, it is assumed that the impedance provided by the capacitor for AC( either by having high frequency signal or high capacitance or both) is so small that it can be approximated to wire for AC.
So, -##i_C R_C ## appears at terminal 1 wrt ground.
 
Pushoam said:
Thank you all for helping me.
So, when we put a capacitor in a circuit, it is assumed that the impedance provided by the capacitor for AC( either by having high frequency signal or high capacitance or both) is so small that it can be approximated to wire for AC.
That statement is too general. Capacitors often serve to establish desired time constants and filter characteristics. So for example in post 3 it may be desired to establish a "corner" or "cutoff" frequency f0 for which signals below f0 would be attenuated but above that frequency would be allowed to pass. In that particular circuit the output is only 0.707 of the input at f = f0 and tails off below f0 until approaching zero at frequencies << f0 while approaching 1.0 at f >> f0.
 
Pushoam said:
Thank you all for helping me.
Now what I understood is :
The impedance provided by a capacitor for AC is ## \frac 1 {\omega C} ##and for DC is infinite.
So, when we put a capacitor in a circuit, it is assumed that the impedance provided by the capacitor for AC( either by having high frequency signal or high capacitance or both) is so small that it can be approximated to wire for AC.
So, -##i_C R_C ## appears at terminal 1 wrt ground.
Yes. Note that the capacitor doesn't get charged to Vcc (as the underlined part in your OP might suggest). It gets charged to the dc collector-emitter voltage VCE given by the Q-point.
The collector current is sinusoidal and can be written as
Ic=Idc +Icsin(ωt).
So the voltage across collector resistance is,
VR=IdcRc+IcRcsin(ωt).

This means the voltage between terminals 1 and 2 without the capacitor is,
V12=Vcc-VR

∴V12=Vcc-IdcRc-IcRcsin(ωt),
where the green part is the dc bias in the output (Q-point). In presence of a capacitor (and a highly resistive load as pointed out by rude man), this dc bias is removed and you only get sinusoidally varying voltage between terminals 1 and 2.
 

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