Measuring Voltages Across 10k, 100k, 1M & 4.7M Ohm Resistors

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The discussion revolves around measuring voltages across various resistors (10k, 100k, 1M, and 4.7M ohms) using a voltmeter. The original poster is uncertain about the configuration of the resistors, whether they are in series or parallel, and how to account for the internal resistance of the voltmeter in their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the application of voltage division and the implications of assuming an ideal voltmeter. There are questions about how to approach the problem if the voltmeter is not ideal, particularly regarding the determination of its internal resistance.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the voltmeter can be treated as ideal unless stated otherwise, while others express the need for more information about the internal resistance. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the internal resistance if it is not ideal, indicating a productive dialogue on the topic.

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Participants note that the internal resistance of the voltmeter is typically not specified in the problem, leading to uncertainty in calculations. There is also mention of needing accurate values for the circuit resistors to analyze the voltmeter's readings effectively.

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Homework Statement


We are supposed to figure out the voltages over every resistance when measuring with a voltmeter

Homework Equations


R1=R2=10k ohm
R3=R4=100k ohm
R5=R6=1M ohm
R7=R8=4.7M ohm
U=10V
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The thing I'm not quite understanding is whether the resistors are in series ( meaning R1 and R2 and etc) or/and parallel. I tried using voltage division over the resistors and realized they would have same voltage over them, 5V, which is wrong, I think.
V1=U*((R1)/(R1+R2))=U*(R/2R)=U/2=5V,

One second thing we should take account is there is an internal resistance when measuring the voltages with a voltmeter, which is parallel to the measuring object. The internal resistance is usually 10M ohm or higher. How should I do now?
 
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balanto said:
l. I tried using voltage division over the resistors and realized they would have same voltage over them, 5V, which is wrong, I think.
V1=U*((R1)/(R1+R2))=U*(R/2R)=U/2=5V,
Since the resistance of voltmeter is not specified in the problem, I don't think it should be considered as 10MΩ. The voltmeter is ideal. So, your answer looks correct to me.
 
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Go with your answer, unless specified, the voltage of the voltmeter, assume it to be infinity(ideal).
 
Thanks for your replies!

Lets assume that we knew that it wasn't an ideal voltmeter, how would you find the internal resistance? I think that is the part I'm not understanding
 
They should give you the internal resistance if it's not ideal.
There is no way of finding the internal resistance of the voltmeter, except of course working backwards- if they've given the potential difference.
 
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Lets assume that we knew that it wasn't an ideal voltmeter, how would you find the internal resistance? I think that is the part I'm not understanding
If the circuit resistor values are known to a very good accuracy then you could work out an expression for what the voltmeter would read given that it has some fixed internal resistance. It's basic circuit analysis. Then with some algebra on the expression the meter resistance could be obtained from the actual reading of the voltage on the voltage divider.

Measure the power supply voltage first so that you have an accurate value to work with. Assume that the meter resistance is much higher than any internal resistance of the source, so won't influence its output. You may want to check the output at each voltage divider and choose one that provides an easily measured deviation from 1/2 U on the available voltage scales.
 

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