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The discussion revolves around a mechanics of materials problem involving shear stress, shear strain, and the relationship between shear modulus, Young's modulus, and Poisson's ratio. Participants explore different methods to approach the problem, clarify concepts, and derive relevant equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the manipulation of the shear modulus equation to find shear stress and propose a calculation method involving dimensions of the object.
  • Questions arise regarding the measurement of shear strain and the value of Poisson's ratio, with some participants asserting that it is not zero and is a material property.
  • There is a request for clarification on the derivation of the shear modulus in relation to Young's modulus and Poisson's ratio.
  • Participants engage in a detailed exploration of the derivation process, discussing the effects of tensile and compressive stresses on a square object and its inscribed square.
  • There are requests for elaboration on specific steps in the derivation, indicating a need for further clarification and understanding of the concepts involved.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the derivation of shear modulus and the implications of Poisson's ratio. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints and ongoing clarification efforts.

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Participants indicate uncertainty about specific assumptions in the derivation process and the implications of material properties on the problem at hand. There are references to the need for further examination of definitions and derivations without reaching a consensus.

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Students and professionals interested in mechanics of materials, particularly those seeking to understand the relationship between shear stress, shear strain, and material properties.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



G = Shear Stress/Shear Strain G = E/(2(1+n)) n being poissons ratio

The Attempt at a Solution


So I know the easiest way to solve is simply to manipulate the first equation a little bit >>> Shear Stress = G * Shear Strain >>> Shear Stress = P/A >>>> P = G * Shear Strain * 20mm * 150mm then boom you get 300 kN...

But there is a longer way I want to understand. Correct me in my process because I know I'm wrong and I think I know where..
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So...
1) The angle I calculate for shear strain. Where do I measure it from?
2) Is poissons ratio 0? The picture seems to indicate there is no lateral contraction...if not, how do I calculate it?
 
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brk51 said:

Homework Statement



View attachment 211827

Homework Equations



G = Shear Stress/Shear Strain G = E/(2(1+n)) n being poissons ratio

The Attempt at a Solution


So I know the easiest way to solve is simply to manipulate the first equation a little bit >>> Shear Stress = G * Shear Strain >>> Shear Stress = P/A >>>> P = G * Shear Strain * 20mm * 150mm then boom you get 300 kN...

But there is a longer way I want to understand. Correct me in my process because I know I'm wrong and I think I know where..
View attachment 211829

So...
1) The angle I calculate for shear strain. Where do I measure it from?
2) Is poissons ratio 0? The picture seems to indicate there is no lateral contraction...if not, how do I calculate it?
Poisson's ratio is not equal to zero. Poisson's ratio is a property of the material, not a strain effect in any particular problem. If you want to understand what is happening here (in another way), you need to go back and examine more closely the derivation of the equation relating the shear modulus to Young's modulus and the Poisson ratio.
 
Chestermiller said:
Poisson's ratio is not equal to zero. Poisson's ratio is a property of the material, not a strain effect in any particular problem. If you want to understand what is happening here (in another way), you need to go back and examine more closely the derivation of the equation relating the shear modulus to Young's modulus and the Poisson ratio.

While I understand your advice, that's why I'm here. I don't get it. I wouldn't just go through all this trouble posting a thread if I didn't already try to understand this.
 
brk51 said:
While I understand your advice, that's why I'm here. I don't get it. I wouldn't just go through all this trouble posting a thread if I didn't already try to understand this.
OK. I understand now. Let me get back to you in a little while.
 
Chestermiller said:
OK. I understand now. Let me get back to you in a little while.
ok thank you
 
OK. You are interested in the derivation of the shear modulus as a function of Young's modulus and Poisson's ratio. The derivation that I am familiar with starts out with a square object that has a square inscribed within it, oriented at an angle of 45 degrees to the outer square. Is this where your derivation starts out?
 
the book
Chestermiller said:
OK. You are interested in the derivation of the shear modulus as a function of Young's modulus and Poisson's ratio. The derivation that I am familiar with starts out with a square object that has a square inscribed within it, oriented at an angle of 45 degrees to the outer square. Is this where your derivation starts out?
the book just uses variables but yes essentially continue..
 
brk51 said:
the book

the book just uses variables but yes essentially continue..
I don't quite follow. Can you please elaborate?
 
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Chestermiller said:
I don't quite follow. Can you please elaborate?
Are we talking about the problem I posted above or the literal derivation of the shear modulus
 
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brk51 said:
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Are we talking about the problem I posted above or the literal derivation of the shear modulus
The literal derivation of the shear modulus.
 
  • #11
Chestermiller said:
The literal derivation of the shear modulus.
Ok yes..
 
  • #12
The derivation assumes that the outer square is subjected to a tensile stress of ##\sigma## in the x direction and a tensile stress of ##-\sigma## (i.e., a compressive stress) in the y direction. This results in a homogeneous state of stress (and strain) within the object. Are we together so far?
 
  • #13
yessir
 
  • #14
The stress loading I described causes the object to stretch in the x direction, and to compress an equal amount in the y direction. It also causes the horizontal diagonal of the inscribed square to stretch in the x direction, and the vertical diagonal to compress in the y direction. The strains in these diagonals are the same as in the x and y directions u for the outer square. Still OK?
 
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Chestermiller said:
The stress loading I described causes the object to stretch in the x direction, and to compress an equal amount in the y direction. It also causes the horizontal diagonal of the inscribed square to stretch in the x direction, and the vertical diagonal to compress in the y direction. The strains in these diagonals are the same as in the x and y directions u for the outer square. Still OK?
Apologize wifi in the library is not too hot,

yes I get that.
 
  • #16
OK. I have something I need to do now. Be back tomorrow.
 
  • #17
Along the boundary of the inscribed square, the inscribed square exerts a normal stress and a shear stress on each of the four small right triangles that surround it, in order for these four triangles to be held in static equilibrium. From a force balance on the upper-right-hand triangle, what is the normal stress and shear stress that the inscribed square exerts at its boundary with this triangle?
 

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