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The discussion revolves around understanding the notation and derivations presented in Mermin's paper on special relativity, specifically regarding the invariant velocity between reference frames. Participants express confusion about the mathematical notation used in the paper and seek clarification or alternative resources for better comprehension.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding Mermin's notation for partial derivatives, particularly the transition from f2(x,y) = df(x,y)/dy to f2(y,0).
  • Another participant suggests that the notation f2(y,0) could imply the evaluation of the partial derivative at a specific point, although they acknowledge the unusual ordering of variables.
  • A third participant disagrees with the interpretation of the notation, highlighting that Mermin claims f(y,0) = y, which seems contradictory to their understanding of the function's generality.
  • One participant supports the interpretation that f2(y,0) represents the partial derivative evaluated at specific values, linking it to Mermin's definition of relative velocities.
  • A suggestion is made to consult an alternative paper by A. Sen that presents similar concepts in a more algebraic manner.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of Mermin's notation. There are competing views on how to understand the implications of the notation and its application in the context of the paper.

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Participants note limitations in their understanding of the notation and the implications of Mermin's definitions, which may depend on specific assumptions or interpretations that are not fully clarified in the discussion.

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I am not mathematically inclined. However, I would love to be able to follow Mermin's treatment deriving an invariant velocity between reference frames (Am. J. Phys, 52(2) 1984 p. 119-124).

Unfortunately, I cannot follow his initial setup regarding the form of the function relating multiple inertial frames. He shows a shorthand notation for partial derivative which I am familar with, but later shows the same notation using a zero in place of a variable which makes no sense to me but upon which further work depends.

For example, he writes: f2(x,y) = df(x,y)/dy as shorthand for partial derivative by the second variable of the function f. Then, later, uses the notation f2(y,0). This becomes jibberish to me unless it perhaps indicates derivative by the 'hidden' variable followed by evaluation of that variable for the value shown? He doesn't say.

Can anyone familiar with this paper help clarify what is meant by his notation? Or, alternatively, point me to either extended discussions on this paper or derivations by other authors?

Thanks!
 
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For example, he writes: f2(x,y) = df(x,y)/dy as shorthand for partial derivative by the second variable of the function f. Then, later, uses the notation f2(y,0).
If he wrote f2(x,0) I would assume that this meant [itex]\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right|_{y=0}[/itex]. Placing the y first does seem a little strange.

I don't have access to the paper, but Mermin has posted various presentations of SR online. Is either of these similar? --
http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~mermin/homepage/ndm.html
http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/~mermin/homepage/minkowski.pdf
 
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Thanks for your reply, bcrowell.

Unfortunately, I do not think our interpretation of the implied notation is correct. For example, he also states that it is "evident from the definition of f" that f(y,0) = y.

This, of course, makes no sense to me given that the function is general and could be anything. I should have some time on Friday to type out all of the equations in question (there aren't too many) and where my trouble lies more precisely.
 
I agree with bcrowell's reading of f2(y,0) as the partial derivative of f with respect to the second argument evaluated with the first argument set to y and the second argument set to 0.

He writes f(y,0)=y because he defines vca=f(vcb,vba), where vca is the velocity of c relative to a, so if b=a then vca=f(vca,vaa)=f(vca,0).
 
Try the paper

A.Sen, "How Galileo could have derived the Special Theory of Relativity", Am. J. Phys. 62 157-162 (1994)

The presentation is very much in the spirit of Mermin, but a bit more algebraic.
 

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