Methods for calculating average velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating average angular velocity in the context of a child pushing a merry-go-round, where the angle of rotation is defined by a polynomial function of time. Participants are examining the conditions under which different formulas for average velocity can be applied.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the average angular velocity cannot simply be calculated using the average of initial and final velocities. Some participants clarify that this method only applies under constant acceleration conditions.
  • Participants discuss the definition of average speed and its relation to displacement over time, questioning the validity of using the midpoint formula in varying acceleration scenarios.
  • There is a query about the applicability of the average velocity formula when angular acceleration is constant.

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The conversation is actively exploring the nuances of average velocity calculations, particularly in relation to varying versus constant acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the specific conditions under which certain formulas are valid, but no consensus has been reached on the broader implications.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of angular motion and the implications of different types of acceleration on average velocity calculations. The original poster's question highlights a common misunderstanding in applying average formulas without considering the underlying motion characteristics.

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A child is pushing a merry-go-round. The angle through which the merry-go-round has turned varies with time according to θ(t)=γt+βt3, where γ= 0.383 rad/s and β= 1.00×10−2rad/s3.

Calculate the average angular velocity ωav−z for the time interval t=0 to t= 5.50s.

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Okay so I solved all the questions above this one which gave me the final and initial angular velocities and I got ωi = 0.383 rad/s and ωf = 1.29 rad/s.

When I calculate average angular velocity, why can't I use (ωi + ωf)/2
Instead, I have to use (Θf - Θi)/5.50 to get the correct answer. Shouldn't the first equation yield the same result because an average is the sum of the velocities divided by 2?
 
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henry3369 said:
why can't I use (ωi + ωf)/2
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an average is the sum of the velocities divided by 2?
Nooo this is not true at all!

This only applies to one very special case: constant acceleration.

The average speed (over an interval of time) is the constant speed which produces the same displacement (over the same interval). So if you imagine a graph like y(x) or v(t) then the average is the constant (a horizontal line) which produces the same area (over a certain interval of x or t) as the area under the actual curve.

In the special case where y(x) or v(t) has a constant slope (a.k.a. constant acceleration) the average happens to be the midpoint of the line and thus is (y(a)+y(b))/2
(You might like to convince yourself that the midpoint between to points on a graph with a constant slope is the only constant value which gives the same area between the two points.)

I hope I'm not making it confusing, but words tend to do that with visual ideas. It is important to remember that the (y(a)+y(b))/2 or (vi+vf)/2 is just a special case which only applies for constant slope (constant acceleration).
 
Nathanael said:
Nooo this is not true at all!

This only applies to one very special case: constant acceleration.

The average speed (over an interval of time) is the constant speed which produces the same displacement (over the same interval). So if you imagine a graph like y(x) or v(t) then the average is the constant (a horizontal line) which produces the same area (over a certain interval of x or t) as the area under the actual curve.

In the special case where y(x) or v(t) has a constant slope (a.k.a. constant acceleration) the average happens to be the midpoint of the line and thus is (y(a)+y(b))/2
(You might like to convince yourself that the midpoint between to points on a graph with a constant slope is the only constant value which gives the same area between the two points.)

I hope I'm not making it confusing, but words tend to do that with visual ideas. It is important to remember that the (y(a)+y(b))/2 or (vi+vf)/2 is just a special case which only applies for constant slope (constant acceleration).
If the angular acceleration is constant, can (vi+vf)/2 be used?
 
henry3369 said:
If the angular acceleration is constant, can (vi+vf)/2 be used?
Yes. If and ONLY if the angular acceleration is constant.
 
What do you think is the more general case of avg velocity?

Think: if I went 100 miles in 2 hours, my avg was?
 

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