Predicting Boiling Points of Chemicals: Is There a Theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the prediction of boiling points of chemicals, exploring whether there is a generally accepted theory or model that can explain boiling point behavior. The scope includes theoretical considerations, factors influencing boiling points, and aspects related to liquid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that there is no universally accepted theory for predicting boiling points, highlighting special cases and homologous series as exceptions.
  • One participant notes that boiling points can be estimated based on known boiling points of similar compounds, particularly within homologous series.
  • Factors influencing boiling points include functional groups, molecular compacity, formula weight, and polarity, as mentioned by several contributors.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the attraction between particles and the mass of the molecules play significant roles in determining boiling points.
  • The chemical potential of a solution is also mentioned as a factor that can influence boiling points.
  • A participant expresses interest in liquid dynamics and questions the distribution of clusters that escape from liquids during boiling, pondering whether single molecules are the only form that escapes.
  • Responses indicate that population distributions of cluster sizes depend on intermolecular potentials, with examples given for different substances like helium and water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that multiple factors influence boiling points, but there is no consensus on a singular theory or model. The discussion includes competing views on the significance of various factors and the nature of escaping clusters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a comprehensive model for boiling point prediction and the dependence on specific definitions of terms like "cluster" and "intermolecular potentials." The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the complexity of boiling point determination.

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Hi, does anybody know how to predict the boiling points of chemicals? Is there is a generally accepted theory or model to explain Tb? Thanks.
 
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Short answer? No.

There are special cases, homologous series, well characterized functional group effects, and a couple others that escape me at the moment, in which known boiling points for members of a series allow reasonable estimates for remaining unmeasured members.

ab initio calculation of a boiling point or vapor pressure? Do it, and you've got your Nobel sewed up tight.
 
depends on a lot of things. most questions will focus on a particular aspect; like bystander has said, like functional groups, the compacity of the molecule, the formula weight, the polarity, it depends on a lot of factors...
 
In short the boiling point of a substance is set by the attraction it applies upon other particles around it.

Functional groups might cause the vanderwaals bonds to be tighter because of unevenly spread charge. Mass is important too because the amount of mass a particle has decides how much gravity it exerts on other particles and sterical effects such as entanglement (not the QM variaty but just plain old hydrocarbons wrapping around each other ;)).

All in all many many such factors must be included in the calculation when you want to calculate its boiling point.
 
the chemical potential of a solution also plays a role in determining the boiling point.
 
Thank all of you.. I am not doing calculation work. my interest is largely in liquid dynamics. one more question, do you happen to know that, upon boiling, roughly, how broad the distribution of the clusters which escapes from liquids might be? I wonder if single molecule is the only form.
 
wangasu said:
(snip) I wonder if single molecule is the only form.


Only for molecules taking introductory chemistry or physics. Population distributions of cluster sizes are again going to depend upon intermolecular potentials. Helium? Not a whole lot of dimers, even fewer trimers, ... Water? Lots of dimers and higher order clustering. Even numbers preferred over odd? Or vice versa? Certainly --- depends on the substance.
 

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