Metric Spaces Homework: Showing Cauchy Sequences

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Cauchy sequences within metric spaces, specifically examining the sequence defined by x_n = n in two different metrics. Participants are tasked with determining whether this sequence is Cauchy in each metric and exploring the implications for completeness of the metric space.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of Cauchy sequences and attempt to show that x_n = n is not a Cauchy sequence in the standard metric by finding specific n and m values. They also explore the conditions under which the sequence could be Cauchy in an alternative metric involving the arctangent function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in their reasoning. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach proving the sequence's properties in different metrics, while others are exploring the implications of these properties for the completeness of the metric space.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and implications of Cauchy sequences and completeness in metric spaces.

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I've done the first 3 parts. I've come to the bit on Cauchy sequences at the end. How do I show x_n = n is/isn't a Cauchy sequence in the 2 metrics?

(x_n) is a Cauchy sequence in a metric space (X,d) if for any \varepsilon >0 there exists N\in \mathbb{N} such that if m,n > N then d(x_m , x_n ) < \varepsilon.

The metric space (X,d) is complete if every Cauchy sequence in (X,d) converges to a limit in X.
 
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So let's prove that it isn't a Cauchy sequence in the standard metric.

So, we need to find an epsilon (let's take \epsilon=1 for a moment), such that for all N, there exists n,m>N such that

d(x_n,x_m)\geq 1

So we must find n,m>N such that

|n-m|\geq 1

Can you find such a n and m??
 
Well, let ε be some number in <0, 1>. Does there exist some positive integer N such that for all m, n >= N you have |xm - xn| < ε?

Edit: sorry, micromass seems to have answered first.
 
micromass said:
So let's prove that it isn't a Cauchy sequence in the standard metric.

So, we need to find an epsilon (let's take \epsilon=1 for a moment), such that for all N, there exists n,m>N such that

d(x_n,x_m)\geq 1

So we must find n,m>N such that

|n-m|\geq 1

Can you find such a n and m??

Setting m=N+1 and n=N+2 we have that m,n &gt; N and |m-n|=|N+1-(N+2)|=|1-2|=1 \geqslant 1\;,\;\text{for all}\;N\in \mathbb{N}
 
Good! So that proves that it isn't a Cauchy sequence.

Now, to prove that it is a Cauchy sequence in the other metric, you must make

|\tan^{-1}(n)-\tan^{-1}(m)|

smaller than \varepsilon
 
micromass said:
Good! So that proves that it isn't a Cauchy sequence.

Now, to prove that it is a Cauchy sequence in the other metric, you must make

|\tan^{-1}(n)-\tan^{-1}(m)|

smaller than \varepsilon

How do I make |\tan^{-1}(m) - \tan^{-1}(n)|&lt;\varepsilon ? I'm guessing that the fact given in the question that d(x,y)&lt; \pi might help?

However, for the last part on whether (\mathbb{R} ,d) is complete, can I say: if it is complete then every Cauchy sequence in (\mathbb{R} ,d) must converge to a limit in \mathbb{R}.

Suppose the Cauchy sequence x_n=n converges in (\mathbb{R} ,d). Then by part (c), x_n must converge in the standard metric. Every convergent sequence is Cauchy, but x_n is not Cauchy in the standard metric - contradiction. So x_n does not converge in (\mathbb{R} , d); therefore not every Cacuhy sequence in (\mathbb{R} , d) converges so it is not complete.
 
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Ted123 said:
How do I make |\tan^{-1}(m) - \tan^{-1}(n)|&lt;\varepsilon ? I'm guessing that the fact given in the question that d(x,y)&lt; \pi might help?

Well, this showing that x_n=n is Cauchy in (\mathbb{R},d) is equivalent to showing that y_n=\tan^{-1}(n) is Cauchy in the standard metric.

However, for the last part on whether (\mathbb{R} ,d) is complete, can I say: if it is complete then every Cauchy sequence in (\mathbb{R} ,d) must converge to a limit in \mathbb{R}.

Suppose the Cauchy sequence x_n=n converges in (\mathbb{R} ,d). Then by part (c), x_n must converge in the standard metric. Every convergent sequence is Cauchy, but x_n is not Cauchy in the standard metric - contradiction. So x_n does not converge in (\mathbb{R} , d); therefore not every Cacuhy sequence in (\mathbb{R} , d) converges so it is not complete.

That is good.
 
micromass said:
Well, this showing that x_n=n is Cauchy in (\mathbb{R},d) is equivalent to showing that y_n=\tan^{-1}(n) is Cauchy in the standard metric.

In examples I've seen on showing a sequence is Cauchy they often involve getting d(x_m , x_n) \leqslant X \to 0 where X is some upper bound. Why does this show the sequence is Cauchy?

For my sequence x_n = n I could use the triangle inequality d(x_m , x_n) \leqslant d(x_m , \frac{\pi}{2} ) + d(\frac{\pi}{2} , x_n): d(x_m ,x_n) = | \tan^{-1} (x_m) - \tan^{-1}(x_n) |
\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; \leqslant | \tan^{-1}(m) - \frac{\pi}{2} | + | \tan^{-1}(n) - \frac{\pi}{2} | \to 0 + 0=0 as m,n \to \infty

since \displaystyle \lim_{r\to\infty} \tan^{-1}(r) = \frac{\pi}{2}
 
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Ted123 said:
In examples I've seen on showing a sequence is Cauchy they often involve getting d(x_m , x_n) \leqslant X \to 0 where X is some upper bound. Why does this show the sequence is Cauchy?

Well, write out what it means that d(x_m,x_n)\rightarrow 0...

For my sequence x_n = n I could use the triangle inequality d(x_m , x_n) \leqslant d(x_m , \frac{\pi}{2} ) + d(\frac{\pi}{2} , x_n): d(x_m ,x_n) = | \tan^{-1} (x_m) - \tan^{-1}(x_n) |
\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; \leqslant | \tan^{-1}(m) - \frac{\pi}{2} | + | \tan^{-1}(n) - \frac{\pi}{2} | \to 0 + 0=0 as m,n \to \infty

since \displaystyle \lim_{r\to\infty} \tan^{-1}(r) = \frac{\pi}{2}

That's good.
 
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Ted123 said:
For my sequence x_n = n I could use the triangle inequality d(x_m , x_n) \leqslant d(x_m , \frac{\pi}{2} ) + d(\frac{\pi}{2} , x_n): d(x_m ,x_n) = | \tan^{-1} (x_m) - \tan^{-1}(x_n) |
\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\; \leqslant | \tan^{-1}(m) - \frac{\pi}{2} | + | \tan^{-1}(n) - \frac{\pi}{2} | \to 0 + 0=0 as m,n \to \infty

Be careful when you're writing this up! You're using the triangle inequality for absolute value here, but you're not using the triangle inequality for the metric d here - if you were actually using d(xn,pi/2) you would end up with |arctan(n)-arctan(pi/2)|+|arctan(m)-arctan(pi/2)| which doesn't go to zero as n and m go to infinity
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Be careful when you're writing this up! You're using the triangle inequality for absolute value here, but you're not using the triangle inequality for the metric d here - if you were actually using d(xn,pi/2) you would end up with |arctan(n)-arctan(pi/2)|+|arctan(m)-arctan(pi/2)| which doesn't go to zero as n and m go to infinity

I'm not getting any credit for this; it's all past exam paper stuff.

But, yes - it's the scalar triangle inequality I should be using!
 

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