MHBIntegral Calculation Help: \int_4^1\int_1^2

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the iterated integral $$\int_4^1\int_1^2 \frac{x}{y}+\frac{y}{x}dydx$$. Participants share their progress and seek assistance in identifying errors in their calculations, focusing on the integration steps and the handling of logarithmic expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculation steps but questions what they might be doing wrong.
  • Another participant points out a potential typo in the integration of $$\frac{1}{2x}$$ and suggests that it should be $$\frac{\ln(2x)}{2}$$.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalence of $$\frac{\ln(2x)}{2}$$ and $$\frac{\ln(x)}{2}$$, with participants exploring their derivatives to confirm this equivalence.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their answer, which differs from the expected result of $$\frac{21}{2}\ln(2)$$.
  • Another participant discusses the role of the constant of integration in the context of the integral $$\int \frac{1}{2x} dx$$, suggesting that different constants can lead to equivalent expressions.
  • There is a suggestion to evaluate the integral by hand to verify results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct evaluation of the integral, as there are multiple interpretations and calculations presented. Uncertainty remains regarding the correct handling of logarithmic terms and the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over specific integration steps and the handling of constants of integration, indicating that assumptions about these elements may not be fully resolved.

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Hello MHB,

$$\int_4^1\int_1^2 \frac{x}{y}+\frac{y}{x}dydx$$
My progress:
$$\int_1^4[x\ln(y)+\frac{y^2}{2x}]_1^2$$
$$\int_1^4 x\ln(2)+\frac{2}{x}-\frac{1}{2x}dx$$
$$[\frac{x^2\ln(2)}{2}+2\ln(2)-\ln(2x)]_1^4$$
What I am doing wrong?

Regards,
 
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Re: iterated integral

Petrus said:
Hello MHB,

$$\int_4^1\int_1^2 \frac{x}{y}+\frac{y}{x}dydx$$
My progress:
$$\int_1^4[x\ln(y)+\frac{y^2}{2x}]_1^2$$
$$\int_1^4 x\ln(2)+\frac{2}{x}-\frac{1}{2x}dx$$
$$[\frac{x^2\ln(2)}{2}+2\ln(2)-\ln(2x)]_1^4$$
What I am doing wrong?

Regards,

Edit: Can't change subject, I did misspelled 'Iterated integral'

How did you integrate $$\frac {1}{2x}$$ ?
 
Re: iterated integral

ZaidAlyafey said:
How did you integrate $$\frac {1}{2x}$$ ?
Typo should be $$\frac{ln(2x)}{2}$$

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Ohh I see... I antiderivated it wrong... Should be $$\frac{ln(x)}{2}$$
 
Re: iterated integral

Petrus said:
Typo should be $$\frac{ln(2x)}{2}$$

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Ohh I see... I antiderivated it wrong... Should be $$\frac{ln(x)}{2}$$

They are actually the same , can you see why ?
 
Re: iterated integral

Petrus said:
$$[\frac{x^2\ln(2)}{2}+2\ln(2)-\ln(2x)]_1^4$$

Also you should have got $$2\ln(x) $$ not $$2\ln (2) $$
 
Re: iterated integral

ZaidAlyafey said:
They are actually the same , can you see why ?
I think I need tea.. Yeah I see they are same
$$\frac{ln(2x)}{2}$$ if we derivate we get
$$\frac{\frac{2}{2x}}{2}<=>\frac{1}{2x}$$
$$\frac{ln(x)}{2}$$ if we derivate we get $$\frac{\frac{1}{x}}{2} <=> \frac{1}{2x}$$
 
Re: iterated integral

Do I got more misstake that I can't see cause I get the answer and facit says $$\frac{21}{2}\ln(2)$$
 
Re: iterated integral

This is related to the constant of integration

$$\int \frac{1}{2x} dx = \frac { \ln (2x) }{2} + c_1 = \frac { \ln (2) +\ln (x) }{2} + c_1$$

Now assume that $$c= \frac { \ln (2) }{2} + c_1$$

Hence

$$\int \frac{1}{2x} dx = \frac { \ln (x) }{2} + c$$
 
Re: iterated integral

ZaidAlyafey said:
This is related to the constant of integration

$$\int \frac{1}{2x} dx = \frac { \ln (2x) }{2} + c_1 = \frac { \ln (2) +\ln (x) }{2} + c_1$$

Now assume that $$c= \frac { \ln (2) }{2} + c_1$$

Hence

$$\int \frac{1}{2x} dx = \frac { \ln (x) }{2} + c$$
Thanks!But have I antiderivated correct:)?
 
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Re: iterated integral

Petrus said:
Do I got more misstake that I can't see cause I get the answer and facit says $$\frac{21}{2}\ln(2)$$

Try evaluating it by hand , it should be the same .
 

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