Michelson interferometer fringes

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of fringes observed in a Michelson interferometer, particularly addressing the conditions under which these fringes appear and the implications of beam divergence. Participants explore the nature of light interference, the role of beam expansion, and the relationship between mirror positioning and fringe visibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why fringes appear in the Michelson interferometer when there is only one light source, suggesting that fringes are typically associated with multiple sources.
  • Another participant explains that using a narrow laser beam results in a single spot that changes brightness, and that a "bullseye" pattern of fringes can be observed if the beam is diverged with a lens.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the absence of diffraction and how a fringe pattern can still occur, questioning whether diverging the beam simply reduces intensity.
  • Another participant clarifies that the circular pattern is not due to diffraction but rather the changing path lengths and phase differences as mirrors are adjusted, noting that the pattern can be observed even with a single laser spot if the mirrors are tilted.
  • One participant seeks confirmation about their understanding of how the pattern widens as the screen is moved further away, and whether equal distances to the mirrors would result in a single solid spot without rings.
  • A later reply affirms the participant's understanding, explaining that equal distances lead to constructive interference and that the size of the spot is constrained by the system's geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between beam divergence and fringe visibility, with some agreeing on the mechanics of interference while others remain uncertain about the absence of diffraction effects. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of light interference and the specific configurations of the interferometer are not fully explored, leaving open questions regarding the mathematical derivations and the precise conditions for observing fringes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, particularly in understanding interference patterns and the operational principles of interferometers.

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Since 2 splitted beams meet at ONE spot later on, we have just one beam which flows to the detector, therefore I expect to see just one light spot, where the BRIGHTNESS is changing depending on at which phase 2 beams meet. Pattern with fringes happens when we have multiple sources, like Young's experiment or difraction grating.

why we have fringes here if there is only one source?
 

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Indeed, if you set up the interferometer using a narrow laser beam that produces only a single spot on the screen when the mirrors are aligned properly, we see what you describe: a single spot that changes brightness as you change one of the path lengths by moving one of the mirrors back and forth.

To see the "bullseye" pattern of fringes, you have to diverge the beam by placing a lens in front of the laser.
 
Thanks jybell! I am still confused thought, since there is not diffraction, how come such a pattern can occur? If you diverge the beam, it becomes just less intense right?
 
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since there is not diffraction, how come such a pattern can occur?

Are you thinking of the circular-aperture diffraction pattern?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/cirapp2.html#c1

The circular pattern in the Michelson interferometer is not from diffraction. As you move away from the center of the pattern, the difference between the path lengths for the light rays arriving via the two mirrors changes, and so does the phase difference. You can see this even with a single laser-spot on the screen, if you tilt both of the mirrors slightly so the spot moves away from the center of the pattern, while keeping the two reflected spots together.

If you expand the beam so you can see the entire pattern, and then move one of the mirrors gradually: the rings either expand gradually, with new rings being "created" at the center; or they contract gradually, with rings "disappearing" at the center. The center of the pattern also changes its position.
 
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is my drawing correct? So we expend the beam, that the pattern widens as we move the screen further, thus from two source images the distance to particular spot differs as we go to the side from the center? (i hope you know what i mean)

does this means, that again if we put 2 mirrors at equal disances, two source images get close and merge => when the distances to the mirrors are equal we see just tne solid spot without rings?
 

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is my drawing correct? So we expend the beam, that the pattern widens as we move the screen further, thus from two source images the distance to particular spot differs as we go to the side from the center? (i hope you know what i mean)

Yes, I think you've got it about right. Let the two "virtual sources" be separated by distance d = m0λ (where m0 is an integer), and let the distance to the screen be L. It's a nice exercise to derive the radius r of the m'th ring from the center. (Assume r << L so you can use some simplifying approximations.)

does this means, that again if we put 2 mirrors at equal disances, two source images get close and merge => when the distances to the mirrors are equal we see just tne solid spot without rings?

Basically, yes. You have complete constructive interference. The size of the "spot" is limited only by the geometry of your system: the size of the mirrors and maybe other things.
 
Thank you jtbell!
 

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