Microstates and multi-dimensional oscillators

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving microstates and vibrational energy in a system of one-dimensional oscillators, specifically focusing on an object modeled as three atoms in an Einstein solid with a total of five quanta of energy distributed among nine oscillators.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to calculate the expected number of objects in a specific microstate based on the total number of microstates. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of part B of the problem and the methods used to arrive at answers.

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Some participants have provided calculations and reasoning related to the problem, while others express uncertainty about the approach. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the problem and share methods, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

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Participants mention variations in the number of objects considered in the problem, which may affect the calculations. There is also a reference to a friend's solution without a clear explanation, highlighting the challenge of understanding the reasoning behind the answers provided.

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Consider an object containing 9 one-dimensional oscillators (this object could represent a model of 3 atoms in an Einstein solid). There are 5 quanta of vibrational energy in the object.

(a) How many microstates are there, all with the same energy?

1287 microstates

(b) If you examined a collection of 30000 objects of this kind, each containing 5 quanta of energy, about how many of these objects would you expect to find in the microstate 000000005?


I got part (a) but I don't know exactly what question 4 is asking? Thanks for the help.
 
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Im trying to work out a similar problem to this one. Does anyone know how to go about solving part B? I'm not sure how one would start the problem. I tried determing the probabilities of 5-0, 0-5, 4-1, 1-4, 3-2, and 2-3, and then used the ration of 0-5 to the sum, but that produced an incorrect answer.
 


I also have a similar problem on WEBASSIGN. My friend got part B, but he never told me HOW, but here is his problem and answer.

Consider an object containing 9 one-dimensional oscillators (this object could represent a model of 3 atoms in an Einstein solid). There are 5 quanta of vibrational energy in the object.
How many microstates are there, all with the same energy?
HIS ANSWER: 1287

If you examined a collection of 44000 objects of this kind, each containing 5 quanta of energy, about how many of these objects would you expect to find in the microstate 000000005?
HIS ANSWER: 34.188034
 


I kinda know how he get it
but with no explanation, so don't ask me
5/1287= x/44000
5*44000/1287 = 170.9401
170.9401/5=34.188034
 


A better way is 44000/1287, that gives the number of objects.
 
Here's the reason that works...

000000005 is just one of the 1287 microstates. Therefore, the number of objects divided by the number of microstates gives you the number of objects that are in anyone given microstate.
 

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