Microwave tube mechanism of heating

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanisms by which microwaves heat materials, particularly focusing on the interaction between microwaves and various substances, including ceramics and water. Participants explore concepts related to dielectric heating, energy absorption, and the behavior of molecules under microwave radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about how microwaves heat materials, suggesting that the lattice parameter of certain materials may resonate with microwave frequencies.
  • Another participant explains that materials need to be lossy conductors, dielectrics, or magnetic materials to absorb microwave energy, leading to heating through induced currents and I squared R losses.
  • A participant challenges the previous claim, noting that ceramics can absorb microwave energy effectively and may contain moisture that contributes to heating.
  • Discussion includes the concept of dielectric heating, where the movement of charged particles in response to microwaves causes heating, particularly in polar molecules like water.
  • One participant questions whether the heating of water is due to the rotation of dipole molecules in an electromagnetic field, seeking clarification on the mechanism of energy absorption.
  • Another participant emphasizes that ceramics can still retain moisture internally, which may affect their heating properties, even if they appear dry on the surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of heating in materials exposed to microwaves, particularly regarding the role of moisture in ceramics and the specifics of energy absorption processes. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the potential for moisture within ceramics, which may not be immediately apparent, indicating that assumptions about the dryness of materials could affect the discussion. The nuances of energy absorption mechanisms remain unresolved.

Vrbic
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Hello,
first of all, I understand, how microwave tube works but I'm interesting in how exactly the microwave heat up a things? What's the matter inside. I have heard about increasing energy of molecules of water by polarization them by micro-wave. But I have got a plate which is not from glass and it is heated up more than things on it. I suppose it is not from water :)
My idea is that lattice parameter "a" of that material has resonance length for micro-waves. Or frequency of these waves is resonance frequency for such lattice. Or where is true?
 
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All that is necessary for a material to be heated is that it be a conductor which is not ideal, but lossy, i.e. has some resistance. It could also be a lossy dielectric or a lossy magnetic material; both of these have characteristic curves that show some hysteresis. All such materials absorb some energy from the microwaves. For example, most foods are lossy conductors. The microwave field induces currents in those materials and the I squared R loss produces heat.
 
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Alfred Cann said:
All that is necessary for a material to be heated is that it be a conductor which is not ideal, but lossy, i.e. has some resistance. It could also be a lossy dielectric or a lossy magnetic material; both of these have characteristic curves that show some hysteresis. All such materials absorb some energy from the microwaves. For example, most foods are lossy conductors. The microwave field induces currents in those materials and the I squared R loss produces heat.

no, this isn't correct

Vrbic said:
But I have got a plate which is not from glass and it is heated up more than things on it. I suppose it is not from water :)

ceramics in general are very good at absorbing microwave energy. and if there is still any moisture within the ceramic.
Then those water molecules will get warm in the same way as water molecules in the food via the absorbed energy
There are various ceramics that manufactured for their energy absorption without getting too hot to touch
these are available for use in microwave ovens. Also consider the ceramics that were used in the space shuttle heat protection tiles,
these tiles could be glowing red but you could still pick them up by handDave
 
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The dielectric heating process caused by microwave absorption is basically frictional - the electric and magnetic field vectors of the microwaves cause separated charge to move, so any molecules with a degree of charge separation (including any polar molecules such as water) will move in response to the incident microwaves and this will cause bulk heating of the material.
 
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Blibbler said:
The dielectric heating process caused by microwave absorption is basically frictional - the electric and magnetic field vectors of the microwaves cause separated charge to move, so any molecules with a degree of charge separation (including any polar molecules such as water) will move in response to the incident microwaves and this will cause bulk heating of the material.
So if I understand "classical" heating up of water: It is caused by ROTATING or MOVING of charged particles? My idea is that dipole molecules of water just turn round because of changing of electromangnetic field by microwave. Is it true?
 
davenn said:
Then those water molecules will get warm in the same way as water molecules in the food via the absorbed energy
Absorbed energy seems very general :) How exactly? Is it by rotating of dipol moleculs of water because of microwave (electromagnetic field)?
davenn said:
ceramics in general are very good at absorbing microwave energy. and if there is still any moisture within the ceramic.
Do you want to say that in ceramics are moleculs of water or that moleculs of ceramics behave similary as water? My plate was definitely dry (on surface).
 
Vrbic said:
My plate was definitely dry (on surface).

yes, but you don't know how dry the ceramic is inside. Standard kiln fired ceramics can still have small quantities of water in it

ceramics produced specifically for microwave oven use are more carefully produced
 

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