What Dimensions Minimize Material in a Paper Cup Designed for 8oz?

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the dimensions of a paper cup designed to hold 8 fluid ounces, specifically focusing on minimizing the material used in the construction of a frustum of a right circular cone. Participants are analyzing the relationships between volume and surface area in this geometric context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to hold the volume constant while minimizing surface area. There are mentions of using the Lagrange multiplier method as a potential approach, along with questions about the constraints imposed by the volume function. Some participants express uncertainty about the complexity of the derivatives involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods for optimization. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Lagrange multiplier method, and alternative representations of the frustum are being considered. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem's complexity may vary significantly based on the chosen variables and representations. There is also a recognition that the problem could be approached using numerical optimization techniques.

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Homework Statement


company manufactures paper cups that are designed to hold 8 fluid ounces
each. The cups are in the shape of a frustum of a right circular cone (so the top and
bottom of the cup are circles, not necessarily of the same size, and the side profile is
that of a trapezoid). What are the dimensions for a paper cup that minimizes the
amount of material used?

Homework Equations


The volume of the cup would be pi/3(R^2+Rr+r^2)h
The surface area would be pi(r)^2+pi(R+r)sqrt((r-R)^2+h^2​

The Attempt at a Solution


Know that I'd need to hold volume constant at V=8 fl. oz. or 14.4375 in.^3. Know I need to minimize the surface area of the cup. I solved for h in the volume equation then substituted that into the area equation. I don't know where to go from there because if you take the partial derivatives it becomes way too complicated.
 
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I believe you should use the lagrange multiplier method, minimizing the function of the area using the constant volume function as a constraint. Are you familiar with such thing?
 
I know sort of how to but not with that function. Also, what constraint would the volume function create
 
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tjc9 said:
I know sort of how to but not with that function.

The problem can range from almost-impossible to nasty but do-able, depending on how you represent it. Your representation is just about impossible with your choice of variables, although it can be solved easily enough using a numerical optimization package.

I found it much better to represent the frustrum as an actual difference between two cones of radii ##R## and ##r## and of heights ##H## and ##h.## We have ##R = H t## and ##r = h t##, where ##t## is the tangent of the half-angle at the apex of the cone. It is best to leave it as just ##t##, rather than as ##\tan( \theta/2).##

When I did all of that the Lagrange multiplier method became just barely practical.
 
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