Minimizing the maximum bending moment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around minimizing the maximum bending moment in a beam by adjusting the length l3, given specific lengths and loads. It involves mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to structural engineering concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the problem involves minimizing the maximum bending moment by changing l3, with given values for l1, l2, l4, P1, P2, and P3, and specifies the constraint 6.5 < l3 < 12.
  • The same participant mentions difficulties in obtaining sufficient equations for the unknowns and attempts to use MATLAB for optimization, which did not yield satisfactory results.
  • Another participant, Chet, requests the shear and bending moment equations to provide better assistance.
  • A later post from the original poster indicates they eventually solved the problem, noting that the minimum occurs when the positive moments equal the negative moments, although they acknowledge a previous mathematical mistake that hindered their progress.
  • Chet acknowledges the complexity of the arithmetic involved in solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to the problem, but there is agreement that the solution involves balancing positive and negative moments. The discussion reflects a progression from confusion to resolution without detailing the specific mathematical steps taken.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the initial problem-solving approach, including the dependence on specific equations and the challenges of managing multiple unknowns. The exact mathematical details and the final solution steps remain unspecified.

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Homework Statement


The question is asking us to minimize the maximum bending moment by changing l3.
l1=3(m)
l2=6.5(m)
l4=12(m)
P1=1200(KN)
P2=2300(KN)
P3=410(KN)
and we know that obviously, 6.5<l3<12

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The Attempt at a Solution


We made relevant cuts and acquired the equations for our bending moments in different sections of the beam.In the end,we have too many unknowns and not enough equations.We even tried plotting 3D graphs on MATLAB to find the optimum point,however we failed since we still had too many unknowns.We tried trial and error to give different values and we optimized it at l3=6.5(m),but we can't really get the value using maths.Something doesn't feel right about our method.
 

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It's very hard to help you without seeing your shear and bending moment equations. Maybe you could write these out for us?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
It's very hard to help you without seeing your shear and bending moment equations. Maybe you could write these out for us?

Chet
After a long day,we were able to solve the problem and I blame myself for the delay.
So in general,the minimum happens when the positive moments are equal to the negative moments (since we're talking about the magnitude of the moment).I came up with the idea when I read the question but I made a huge mathematical mistake which kept us from getting the answer.
So we solved the relevant equations and we even plotted bending moment vs l3 graph.
 
hamdal said:
After a long day,we were able to solve the problem and I blame myself for the delay.
So in general,the minimum happens when the positive moments are equal to the negative moments (since we're talking about the magnitude of the moment).I came up with the idea when I read the question but I made a huge mathematical mistake which kept us from getting the answer.
So we solved the relevant equations and we even plotted bending moment vs l3 graph.
Congrats. Sometimes the "arithmetic" can get pretty hairy.

Chet
 

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