Finding maximum bending moment when shear force equation is known

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum bending moment of a bridge section given the shear force equation and specific load values. Participants explore the integration of the shear force equation and the implications of various coefficients and units in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a shear force equation and attempts to integrate it to find the maximum bending moment, initially arriving at a value they believe is incorrect.
  • Another participant suggests checking calculations with standard formulas for triangular and uniformly distributed loads, and emphasizes the importance of significant figures.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the shear force equation, with specific questions about the coefficients used and the evaluation of shear force at certain points.
  • A participant claims their shear force equation is correct and questions why others believe their bending moment calculation is wrong.
  • Further corrections are made regarding the shear force equation, with one participant acknowledging a mistake in their earlier calculations and providing a revised equation.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of a specific calculation related to the triangular loading, asserting that it does not equate to the previously stated coefficient.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for assistance received and indicates they have resolved their issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement among participants regarding the correctness of the shear force equation and the resulting bending moment calculations. Some participants assert their calculations are correct while others challenge these claims, leading to a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the equilibrium of the bridge and the implications of various coefficients in their calculations. There are unresolved questions regarding the derivation of certain terms in the shear force equation.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the Maximum Bending Moment of the bridge section using the values given.
Ra = 61837.91667 N
Rb = 78304.5833 N
(please refer to attached diagram)

Homework Equations



shear force is = 0 when x = 13.755998 m
(I worked this distance and the shear force equation out and found it to be correct)

Shear force equation is: v = (950/13)x2 + 3490.096154x - 61837.91667

The Attempt at a Solution



The Attempt at a Solution



Integrate shear force equation:
∫(950/13)x2 + 3490.096154x - 61837.91667

= (950/39)x3 + (3490.096154/2)x2 - 61837.91667x + C

when x = 0, c = 0

Maximum bending moment = (950/39)x3 + (3490.096154/2)x2 - 61837.91667x when x = 13.755998 m

∴ Maximum bending moment = -457024.4582 Nm

BUT, I know that the max bending moment is definitely not the answer I calculated.

Any help you can offer me will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
 

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First, restrict your calculations to four significant figures, to reduce errors (ironically). Then check with standard formula WL/6 where W is the total load. That is for the triangular load. Add WL/8 for the UDL. Since first writing this I have found an error in your work The coefficient 950/13 for the x^2 term needs checking. In general you would do better to work in kN units.
 
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Your shear force equation is wrong. To check, substitute x = 0 and x = 26, and get the corresponding shear values. Check these with the reactions to see if the bridge is in equilibrium.
 
Kasthuri: Your shear force equation appears correct. Your maximum bending moment in post 1 appears correct. Nice work. I currently do not know why you, and others, currently seem to think it is wrong. Why do you think your answer is wrong?
 
I reiterate, your shear force equation is incorrect.
Where does the factor 950/13 come from? The load diagram clearly states that q at the right end of the bridge is 3800 N/m.
Why do you take Ra as negative in the shear force equation?
Clearly, if you evaluate the shear force equation at x = 0, you should obtain a shear force equal to the reaction at A.
Your bending moment calculation won't be correct until you get the correct shear force equation.
 
This is the shear force equation: (I missed the '2' initially, I'm sorry for that!)

v = (9250/13)x2 + 3490.096154x - 61837.9166

So through integrating from x = 0 to x = 13.756m I get that bending moment:
MAX BM = 885754.75 Nm
 
SteamKing said:
I reiterate, your shear force equation is incorrect.
Where does the factor 950/13 come from? The load diagram clearly states that q at the right end of the bridge is 3800 N/m.
Why do you take Ra as negative in the shear force equation?
Clearly, if you evaluate the shear force equation at x = 0, you should obtain a shear force equal to the reaction at A.
Your bending moment calculation won't be correct until you get the correct shear force equation.

I just now realized that it isn't in equilibrium, thanks.
Ignore my earlier comment. I looked back on my working and found the 950/13 comes from the weight of the triangular loading:
W = 1/2(base)(height)
= 1/2(x)(3800/26)(x)
= 950/13(x^2)
 
I have fixed my shear force equation and integrated it:
∫ - (950/13)x2 - 3490.096154x + 61837.91667 from x = 0 to x = 13.756 metres:

BM = 61837.91667x - (3490.096154x2)/2 - [(950/13)]x3/3

so integrating from x=0 to x=13.756m:

BM max = 457024.483 Nm
 
Sorry, but 1/2(x)*(3800/26)*x is NOT equal to (950/13)*x^2
 
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Cancel last post. Sorry.
 
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Thank you so much for your help SteamKing! :D
I got it right :)
 

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