Minimum length of the Pitot tube?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the minimum length of a Pitot tube for measuring dynamic pressure in airflow applications. Participants explore practical considerations for tube length, measurement accuracy, and the nature of Pitot measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the working end of the tube should be kept in unobstructed flow, but is uncertain about practical implications for tube length.
  • Another participant shares their experience with a Pitot tube that has a specific length and diameter, suggesting that around 180-200 mm might be a reasonable starting point for similar applications.
  • Some participants propose trial and error as a method for determining the optimal tube length, emphasizing its practicality despite the lack of a definitive rule of thumb.
  • There is a clarification that a Pitot probe measures total pressure rather than dynamic pressure, which some participants acknowledge as a misunderstanding in terminology.
  • Concerns about measurement noise are raised, with one participant arguing that noise is not inherent to Pitot measurements if proper precautions are taken.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of trial and error for determining tube length, but there is disagreement regarding the characterization of noise in Pitot measurements, with differing views on whether it is endemic to the method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of the Pitot tube may depend on specific conditions of the airflow and the design of the measurement setup, which are not fully defined in the discussion.

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I have a thin tube (4 mm diameter) sticking out of a small box (a bit larger than a matchbox). I want to use this tube to measure the dynamic pressure. How long must the tube be for the results to be reasonably accurate?

Intuition tells me the working end of the tube should be kept in the unobstructed flow, but I have no idea what it means in practical terms (and I want to keep the tube as short as possible).

I don't think I will be able to bend the tube without collapsing it (not even sure if that is a correct word in the context).
 
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Reasonably accurate is probably the relevant term here.

I have a couple of pitot tubes for duct air flow measurement (L shaped). The one with a 3.8mm hole at the end is about 180 mm from the vertical section that protrudes through the duct. The comparison reference is a row of radial holes that is ~60mm from the velocity end (120mm from the vertical part). In this case, 120mm is far enough away from the vertical tube to likely not influence the measurement significantly. A square box would require more, but it depends on exactly what is going on, and what else can influence the measurement

If I was doing it, I'd probably trial and error it, starting with the maximum I could live with, hoping to work it down. Without that constraint, I'd probably lean toward 180-200mm since I have one with those dimensions that works, and go from there.

Pitot tube air flow measurements are noisy.
 
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Trial and error is indeed a pretty good idea here. Another option would be to estimate the minimum length by estimating the flow field in front of your box through any number of methods, though they would largely be a pain to do.

So yes, I'd go back to the trial and error idea. It's low-tech but it's foolproof.

Also note, a Pitot probe measures total pressure, not dynamic pressure.

ChemAir said:
Pitot tube air flow measurements are noisy.

What does this even mean? Pitot measurements are not necessarily noisy. They would be if you don't take the proper precautions, like any other measurement, but this is not something endemic to Pitot measurements.
 
ChemAir said:
I'd probably trial and error it

boneh3ad said:
Trial and error is indeed a pretty good idea here.

Oh, well, I hoped for some rule of thumb, but if it takes working with a knife (soft aluminum) - so be it.

boneh3ad said:
Also note, a Pitot probe measures total pressure, not dynamic pressure.

Good point, lousy language on my side.

Thanks guys. Not exactly the answer I hoped for but at least one I understand :wink:
 
boneh3ad said:
What does this even mean? Pitot measurements are not necessarily noisy. They would be if you don't take the proper precautions, like any other measurement, but this is not something endemic to Pitot measurements.

Definitely not endemic to pitot tubes, agreed. Just mentioning (poorly) that a noisy signal is not necessarily a failure.
 
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