What Does Number of Diameters Mean in Pipe Flow Analysis?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "number of diameters" (ND) in pipe flow analysis, specifically its application in calculating equivalent lengths for fittings and elbows in fluid dynamics. Participants clarify that the formula L = ND expresses the length of a pipe in terms of its diameter, making it dimensionless and facilitating the use of friction factor equations like Darcy and Fanning. The relationship between head loss and the ratio L/D is emphasized, showing that two pipes with the same L/D ratio will exhibit identical pressure drops despite differing diameters and flow rates.

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what is the meaning of number of diameter N ? why the author make L = ND ? and then divide it by D ?

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This is a practical way to do it: you get an equivalent length for fittings, elbows etc. that you can add to the sum of lengths of straight sections and use in friction factor formulas (e.g. Darcy).

Head loss is a function of ##L\over D## .

Didactically the sheet you show is indeed rather ready for improvement. I find it confusing.
 
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BvU said:
This is a practical way to do it: you get an equivalent length for fittings, elbows etc. that you can add to the sum of lengths of straight sections and use in friction factor formulas (e.g. Darcy).

Head loss is a function of ##L\over D## .

Didactically the sheet you show is indeed rather ready for improvement. I find it confusing.
can you explain about what is ND / D ? i am confused
 
ND is L so ND / D is L/D. That is the factor that appears in the friction factor equations such as Darcy and Fanning (*). The approach exploits the observed similarity in flow properties between a flow in a pipe of 100 m and 1 m diameter and a flow in a pipe of 10 m with a diameter of 10 cm.

(*)
And I would almost wish one of the two never existed :smile:. Now you have to be really careful if you divide 16 or 64 by Re for laminar flow...
 
BvU said:
ND is L so ND / D is L/D. That is the factor that appears in the friction factor equations such as Darcy and Fanning (*). The approach exploits the observed similarity in flow properties between a flow in a pipe of 100 m and 1 m diameter and a flow in a pipe of 10 m with a diameter of 10 cm.

(*)
And I would almost wish one of the two never existed :smile:. Now you have to be really careful if you divide 16 or 64 by Re for laminar flow...
why L = ND ? i don't understand it
 
Length of the pipe expressed in number of diameters. Nicely dimensionless. What can I say ?
 
BvU said:
Length of the pipe expressed in number of diameters. Nicely dimensionless. What can I say ?
what does it mean by number of diameter ?
 
The two pipes in #4 have the same ##{L\over D} = 10## so they will show the same pressure drop for a given fluid with widely different volume flows (factor 100) but the same flow velocity.
 
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The two pipes in #4 have the same ##{L\over D} = 10## so they will show the same pressure drop for a given fluid with widely different volume flows (factor 100) but the same flow velocity.
ys , they have L/ D of factor 100 ,why they will have the same pressure drop ?
 
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Allright, L/D = 100 o:) .
foo9008 said:
why they will have the same pressure drop
That's what has been observed to be the case :smile: .
'Apparently' ##\Delta p## is a function of L/D, something that probably also comes out of similarity considerations.

Something with ##{\rm Re} = {\rho v D\over \mu}##
 
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BvU said:
Allright, L/D = 100 o:) .
That's what has been observed to be the case :smile: .
'Apparently' ##\Delta p## is a function of L/D, something that probably also comes out of similarity considerations.

Something with ##{\rm Re} = {\rho v D\over \mu}##
ok , how does the case that you mentioned relate yo number of diameter ?
 

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