Miracle Fruit - Synsepalum dulcificum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects and implications of miracle fruit (Synsepalum dulcificum), particularly its ability to alter taste perception, especially making sour flavors taste sweet. Participants share personal experiences, explore the potential applications of the fruit in food, and discuss regulatory aspects related to its use.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe personal experiences with miracle fruit, noting how it changes the taste of various foods and beverages, such as lemon juice and vinegar, making them taste sweet.
  • There are mentions of the FDA's historical stance on the fruit, with some participants recalling that it was not approved as a sugar substitute, while others note its popularity in Japan.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability of taste perception among different individuals and whether the effects are consistent across users.
  • Participants express interest in understanding the mechanism of action of the miracle fruit, questioning its safety and potential side effects if used frequently.
  • Some participants draw parallels between the effects of miracle fruit and other foods, such as artichokes and asparagus, which they claim can also alter taste perceptions.
  • One participant mentions that the fruit is used in Ghana to improve the taste of stale foods, indicating cultural applications of the fruit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share personal experiences and observations about miracle fruit, but there is no consensus on its safety, regulatory status, or the consistency of its effects across different individuals.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the FDA's current stance on miracle fruit and its potential as a food additive. There are also unresolved questions about the long-term effects of consuming foods altered by the fruit.

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CARRIE DASHOW dropped a large dollop of lemon sorbet into a glass of Guinness, stirred, drank and proclaimed that it tasted like a “chocolate shake.”

Nearby, Yuka Yoneda tilted her head back as her boyfriend, Albert Yuen, drizzled Tabasco sauce onto her tongue. She swallowed and considered the flavor: “Doughnut glaze, hot doughnut glaze!”

They were among 40 or so people who were tasting under the influence of a small red berry called miracle fruit at a rooftop party in Long Island City, Queens, last Friday night. The berry rewires the way the palate perceives sour flavors for an hour or so, rendering lemons as sweet as candy...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/dining/28flavor.html

I got some tablets made from this berry to test the claim. They worked! Unfortunately I was fresh out of tobasco, so I have yet to try that one.

I gave some to Tsu to try without telling her what to expect. She thought it was cool, but for the rest of the evening she was complaining that her lemonade was too sweet. :smile: [she happens to be on a lemonade kick right now]

Researchers are working to incorporate the gene responsible for the production of the critical chemical, into healthy but sour foods that are typically unpopular with kids and adults. As you might imagine, the food industry is looking to go nuts with this stuff. This opens the door to an entire world of new possibilities for flavor.
 
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Monique said:
I thought the Food and Drug Administration ruled that the extract could not be used as a sugar substitute, but that was in the 1970s.

My understanding is that it was rejected [not approved] by the FDA at some point, but it is all the rage in Japan. I don't know the history of this, but apparently it is quite the subject of interest these days. Perhaps FDA approval is expected?
 
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yeah it was super interesting at first, but it's not something you want to do over and over again. mostly do to the fact that the sweetness tastes like an artificial sweetener. so plain yogurt kinda tasted like pudding with a weird aftertaste and it kinda makes your mouth feel funny, coated in a way.
 
I took a shot of straight lemon juice, which tasted sweet but strange... tried straight vinegar as well with much the same effect.

Later I had a bowl of cold cereal with no sugar. That tasted sweet with no distinctive aftertaste.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
I took a shot of straight lemon juice, which tasted sweet but strange... tried straight vinegar as well with much the same effect.

Later I had a bowl of cold cereal with no sugar. That tasted sweet with no distinctive aftertaste.
Does it change the acidity, or just how the taste is perceived? With my esophagus, I don't think I should try anything like that.
 
Evo said:
Does it change the acidity, or just how the taste is perceived? With my esophagus, I don't think I should try anything like that.

My understanding is that the active chemical acts on the taste receptors in such a way that sweet is perceived instead of sour, when acids are consumed. I haven't looked into this beyond the original news story seen.

Allegedly, "taste tripping" parties are quite popular.
 
Is the response repeatable for different people? I mean, if you and Tsu both tried it and then tried the same foods, do you both perceive them to have the same "other" taste? Or does it just change the taste, but in individual ways?

It's obviously doing something, but it wouldn't be much good in foods if everyone tasted something different. Plus, I'd be concerned that while it might make that broccoli taste good, what if it then made everything else in the meal taste bad?

Is the mechanism of action known? I sure wouldn't want FDA to approve a food additive without knowing how it's working, whether it's safe to consume often and over long periods of time, and what side effects there are besides making food taste strange.

I wouldn't want it in my food, but I would be interested in learning its mechanism of action as a tool toward better understand how taste is perceived. Not just what flavor do we think we taste, but what makes us think one flavor is pleasant and another disgusting, especially when it is not universal?
 
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As near as I could tell, we both perceived the lemon juice in the same way. It tasted sweet but strange. Beyond that, Tsu didn't experiment any more.

It seems that the effect, in a subtle form, is active for several hours. Tsu was still complaining about her sweet lemonade an hour or two later, and I ate the cereal about two hours after taking a tablet.

It made the flavor of coffee stronger. The taste was slightly altered, but not sweet.
 
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I would think that the mechanism of action would be similar to capsicum, but I'm not sure.
 
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Personal experience only, but to me eating steamed asparagus can alter the tastes of other foods. I love asparagus and I love very sharp Vermont/NY cheddars, but whenever I make a sharp cheese sauce to serve over asparagus, it seems that the asparagus cuts the distinctive sharp character of the cheese. Anybody else experience this?
 
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turbo-1 said:
Personal experience only, but to me eating steamed asparagus can alter the tastes of other foods. I love asparagus and I love very sharp Vermont/NY cheddars, but whenever I make a sharp cheese sauce to serve over asparagus, it seems that the asparagus cuts the distinctive sharp character of the cheese. Anybody else experience this?
It can certainly change the smell of your urine, so you may be on to something.
 
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turbo-1 said:
Personal experience only, but to me eating steamed asparagus can alter the tastes of other foods. I love asparagus and I love very sharp Vermont/NY cheddars, but whenever I make a sharp cheese sauce to serve over asparagus, it seems that the asparagus cuts the distinctive sharp character of the cheese. Anybody else experience this?

Chemical reactions between foods, that change the flavor of those foods, are common. This chemical changes the perception of flavor.
 
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Ah if this is the berry I'm thinking about it is pretty insane. My girlfriend is from Ghana and that's where the berry is from.

They used it there to make foods that were stale taste good. Like old bread etc. She's going to be getting some family to send some over here for me to test out :D
 

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