Missing sketch in K&K Mechanics book

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The discussion revolves around a missing sketch in the K&K Intro to Mechanics book, specifically related to a derivation involving vector angles and their relationships. Participants explore the implications of the missing diagram on understanding the derivation and the conditions under which certain vector properties hold true.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding a derivation on page 26 of the K&K book, specifically about an equation involving the angle ##\delta \theta## and the missing sketch.
  • Another participant describes the geometric relationship of the vectors forming an isosceles triangle and explains how the missing diagram relates to the derivation.
  • A question is raised about why the vector ##\Delta A## is not perpendicular to ##A##, as the book suggests it should be when ##A## is not changing in magnitude.
  • In response, a participant explains that in the limit as Δt approaches zero, ##\Delta A## becomes perpendicular to both ##A(t)## and ##A(t+\Delta t)##, leading to them being equal.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification and expresses gratitude for the explanation and the sketch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the existence of a missing diagram and its importance for understanding the derivation. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the conditions under which the vector relationships hold, particularly concerning the perpendicularity of ##\Delta A##.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the missing diagram for clarity in the derivation and the assumptions made regarding the limits of Δt and the behavior of the vectors involved.

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Hello guys,

I'm currently reading through K&K Intro to Mechanics book, and I'm on page 26 where I encounter a bit odd derivation.

The authors say:
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Using the angle ##\delta \theta## defined in the sketch,

##|\delta A| = 2A \sin{\frac{\delta \theta}{2}}##
I'm rather lost on this part. I don't know which sketch corresponds to this equation.
 
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The diagram is indeed missing.

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The three vectors form an isosceles triangle. The dashed line bisects it into two right triangles. To get the equation, consider one of the right triangles.

If you take the diagram at the top left of page 26, and fill in the hypotenuse which is ##\vec A (t + \Delta t)##, you get a similar diagram, but with the right angle in a different location. The discrepancy disappears in the limit as ##\Delta \theta \rightarrow 0## and ##\Delta \vec A \rightarrow 0##.
 

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Ok that makes it clear. But it raises another question on why the vector ##\Delta A## is not perpendicular to ##A##? Whereas the book says it is necessary for it to be so because ##A## is not changing in magnitude?
 
In the limit as Δt goes to zero (which is what you need to do in order to have the instantaneous derivative), ΔA becomes perpendicular to both A(t) and A(t+Δt). And of course A(t) and A(t+Δt) become equal to each other.
 
jtbell said:
In the limit as Δt goes to zero (which is what you need to do in order to have the instantaneous derivative), ΔA becomes perpendicular to both A(t) and A(t+Δt). And of course A(t) and A(t+Δt) become equal to each other.


Ah yes I didn't think of that carefully. Thanks for the remark and the sketch. :)
 

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